How many Turkish Cypriots in the Republic of Cyprus (govt areas)?

aweverard

I asked this on the Cyprus Forum and did not get much response. Does any know or have a idea how many Turkish Cypriot's live in the south?

stavrizatz · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:23 am Post subject:

about 2000, propably more now...why are you asking?

Once you lived in bellabais until 2001, would you have any clue how many idiots built on stolen properties, just wondering.

stavrizatz · Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:24 am Post subject:

sorry perhaps it was not clear in my previous post...i mean only in bellabais not the whole of the occupied areas

aweverard · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject:

My family still have a house in Bellapais, have had since '72 (was evacuated on HMS Hermes in '74) and I have been in Beijing since 2001.

The reason for asking is with the opening of the green line so that Turkish Cypriot's can get full Republic of Cyprus passports, return get EU benefits and their land back but how many had done so? and if not many why not?

stavrizatz · Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject:

I am not talking about Cypriots, I am talking about foreigners who buy Greek Cypriot land whether if you know. Most of the houses in Bellabais seem to be occupied by British, yes?

Almost all Turkish Cypriots claimed the rights in the Republic of Cyprus some before the opening of the buffer zone. Claiming the land is possible but takes a process unfortunately. Living is a big move for anyone I guess.

aweverard · Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:09 am Post subject:

I am not Cypriot my father built the house we own and as I say it was completed in '72.

As to Bellapais, I would say most of the village houses are Turkish Cypriot owned (with a few exceptions) and the new built villas are non-Turkish Cypriot owned.

stavrizatz · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject:

I didn't question whether if you are Cypriot or not, or whether if your father built the house before 1974...just was wondering if you knew how many foreigners bought stolen properties in Bellabais.

There are no houses owned by Turkish Cypriots in Bellabais, perhaps one or two, as Bellabais was a Greek village before 1974. But Turkish Cypriots living in Bellabais is not a problem, the occupied the houses of Greeks who fled away. In case of a solution they will give the house back and return to their propertiies as well. My problem is with the development and the building of villas on Greek Cypriot land sold, without the knowledge of the owners, to foreign idiots.

aweverard · Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject:

This was my thinking behind the the original question. Given that Turkish Cypriots have been able to return for some time now but have not done so, how many Cypriots Greek and Turkish are likely to do so given a solution?

repulsewarrior · Deputy Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1734 Location: Canada

the houses have a value. the rightful owner seeks redress, the pleasure that was taken from their displacement. the balance is paid appropriately.

or the rightful owner has the right to have any changes demolished, so that the property is returned in its original state.

the property may change as an occupation, and it may also be sold, by the rightful owner.

in any circumstance, those who hold title to these assets cannot believe that they are free and clear in its ownership...
...these are basic Principals, Universal, to any Rule of Law.

repulsewarrior · Deputy Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1734 Location: Canada

aweverard · Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject:

Hi RW,

A very interesting idea, lets see if the politicians can make something like it come about.

You are right in that there needs to be a government system that forces the two communities to work together. This will marginalise the ethnic nationalists and allow the moderates to work together for all Cypriots - in the future people will vote by party and manifesto not religion or ethnic affiliation.

But I fear that the current talks will go nowhere as it depends on the governance agreement and in particular how the presidency of any United Cyprus Republic is formed.

If it is a individual forming policy then Turkey cannot guarantee that at some time in the future a Greek Cypriot president will not veto Turkey's EU bid, if a Presidential committee then Turkish Cypriot input is guaranteed and Turkey is unlikely to face a Cyprus veto - so if Turkey does not get what it wants here it can put a stop to the whole process by not agreeing property, settlers, military elements of any plan so forcing the Greek Cypriots to vote against in any referendum.

This then gets put on hold until Turkey is further along it EU road, assuming that the Turkish population want to join the EU in 10 or more years time.

It will be Turkey's EU membership bid that will decide the Cyprus Problem - If Turkey wants to join then a solution will happen, if Turkey wants to join and is blocked then no solution and it is possible that Turkey chooses not to join so again no solution.

stavrizatz · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:26 am Post subject:

You have some deep understand of how politics work in Cyprus, that's good.

Turkey still wants to show that they care about Cyprus at the time that they really don't. If the negotiations fail this time again, then I guess the only option left is an armed liberation struggle.

repulsewarrior · Deputy Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1734 Location: Canada

...if Turkey rejects its own intention of joining the EU, it will open itself to isolation, much like the Turkish Cypriot suffers today, because of its authority's intransigence and inability to change.

armed conflict is a possibility. and as we know too well, the harm a few 'guerillas' can produce is greater than an army's ability to prevent it. (i.e. Kurds, Palestinians, Bin Laden)

stavrizatz · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject:

repulsewarrior · Deputy Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1734 Location: Canada

"Lest We Forget", words we betray when they are used on tombstones in a manner promoting the pride we have for fallen heros as the soldiers of a Nation. the lesson we have not learned as yet is that hatred is a good thing, and that war is a good thing, but that our enemies are not other Nations, but the scourge which is in a fight against us as Humans: Hunger, Ignorance, Disease.

under these terms war, and guerilla warfare are ethical.

...furthermore, in our case, EOKA (gamma), will beget the resurgence of Grey Wolves, the victims of course will be innocent people who support neither. ...and as we know too well, politicians will continue to profit from this divide.