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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Peace Education in Schools in Cyprus Reply with quote

The ministry of Education of the Republic of Cyprus has send to principals of primary and secondary schools the letter seen in the following link (for those who can read Greek)

http://www.schools.ac.cy/dme/dmecircular/data/Doc3429.pdf

The letter reveals the aims of the school season 2008-2009 with sugestions to promote the goal which is to "Cultivate culture of peaceful co-existence, mutual respect and co-operation between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots with aim to bring an end to the Turkish occupation and the reunification of Cyprus and its people"

Some reacted saying that the new program aims to promote the political agendas of Bizonal, Bicommunal Federation. If that is true then I suppose the whole program contradicts itself as one of the main points that peace culture stresses is the respect for the different opinion, therefore the program cannot promote the one path towards peaceful co-existence, rather the different options.

Generally I feel exited about this initiative of the new government but I would be disapointed if BBF is promoted, not because I personally do not favour such solution but more because it could trigger a new split in the Greek Cypriot public, just like the Anan Plan did.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavri,

As you know, if there will be a solution to the CP, then it will be within the framework of a BBF. We at the least know this much. Now, if this is a fact and sides are serious about arriving to a solution this time around, then what would be more realistic than preparing the youth for what to come, especially if they have been living under the propaganda that things would be exactly as they were in 1960 once the solution has arrived?

Note the subtle difference that a BBF will be an *unavoidable* outcome (if there will be any) of these negotiations, in contrast to see this as an imposition of an opinion, as you seem to perceive it I guess. Because there seems to be only one alternative to choose from and no more. If you would ask me, I would see this as a preparation of the future generations to a coming reality.

About the split of the public. Well, is there any other way? The same happened within the Turkish Cypriot community. And we will see the same thing happening again, especially as the negotiations proceed and the referendums close in. Looking at the results of the last presidential election you had, I think the split will not be as rough this time. But I just can't imagine that, on the either side, there will be a uniform opinion on how things should be. Ever!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonskin,

I am not denying that BBF is the now the feasible settlement to the Cyprus question, however it does not mean that the education system can use propaganda to promote it. The role of education in my opinion is to give children an understanding of the situation so as to allow students to use their critical thinking in order to take on a point of view.

To teach BBF can be done but in a different subject that allrady exists, called 'politiki agogi' which means political education. This subject so far explains the 1960 constitution. If BBF it is to be taugh in the school, I believe it should be done after it is agreed. Because it is possible that many Greek Cypriots would prefer a permanent partition rather than a de facto partition aka BBF. This is also what Matsakis said in his presidential campaign "a truly unified Cyprus or a permanent partition" an opinion carried out by 30% of Greek Cypriots according to a research.

Don't you think it would be an irony for a subject that teaches cooperation to create a split?

ps. the annoying thing is that this education program came 45 years late.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a really good article regarding this circular and the reactions to it in last Sundays Mail.
I must admit when reading it my doubts that a solution will be found have risen again. Unfortunately it's not enough that the politicians might agree.
Whatever is decided must be explained to the public, must be supported by the media and especially must be introduced in education! It will be difficult enough as it is know with some 30-40 years one sided propaganda and history teaching in the general publics mind to make any solution (that is not partition) working.

Here is the complete article and especially one quote that sort of 'says it all' regarding the current situation:

A struggle for the future of Cyprus
By Stefanos Evripidou
(archive article - Sunday, September 14, 2008)


Quote:
President of the Association for Historical Dialogue and Research, Chara Makriyianni, welcomed the minister's circular, noting that finally, someone had mentioned the words “mutual respect”, “co-operation” and “Turkish Cypriots” in the same paragraph.

If this must already been considered a step forward then I dread to think how long the process will need to implement a solution in peoples minds.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks City for the article, but it is clear from which side is coming from.

By the way the author twisted the words of the archbishop, who is trying to accuse the church that it interferes with politics.

Well in Cyprus at least in the free areas there are two groups the one who suggest to write 'the history as it happens' but only they forget to go in depth about the period between 63-74 and the other group that suggest to smooth up history and write only about possitive rather than the negative. The later, is the phenomenon of neo-Cypriotism, where the strategy to unite the island is that of presenting a new national identity, the Cypriot one. It seems to me that the history war has a new twist, the pro-Cypriot, pro-Greek and pro-Turkish...none of them is pro-truth.

[city:quote]Whatever is decided must be explained to the public, must be supported by the media and especially must be introduced in education! It will be difficult enough as it is know with some 30-40 years one sided propaganda and history teaching in the general publics mind to make any solution (that is not partition) working. [/quote]

I don't think any democratic country ever done that.

A working solution is easy because Cypriots wan't find it difficult to live together, despite the huge differences in prespective...the solution in peoples minds is a very long term process. The problem of Cyprus is that of continuous occupation by a foreign country and that cannot be solved no matter what changes are made in the education system.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavrizatz wrote:
A working solution is easy because Cypriots wan't find it difficult to live together, despite the huge differences in prespective...the solution in peoples minds is a very long term process. The problem of Cyprus is that of continuous occupation by a foreign country and that cannot be solved no matter what changes are made in the education system.

stavri, I think you are contradicting yourself. How can a solution be easy when in the same moment you agree that it takes generations to change people's minds...?
And I didn't say that changes in the education will solve the issue - I said this is one part of the puzzle. There are loads more pieces to it. But how can you change peoples mind (even long term) when you do not start in the schools, with the young people?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I didn't put it clearly.

The way I see a solution is at two or actually three levels, the surface level dealing with human rights, the political level dealing with the government structure and a solution in peaoples minds where the communities intergrate at all levels of society.

surface solution...addressing the real issues eg property, settlers, army.

political solution... where the politicians can agree on BBF, go back to 60s, agree on permanent partition or unite the whole of Cyprus with Greece or something else

But even if the above two are settled, no matter how fair/unfair a proposed 'solution' is, the attitude of the people could still be the same.

What I said it was easy, was about the surface level, where we have the univarsal declaration of human rights being violated. Turkey was found guilty in violation of human rights.

The political level could of been easy if democratic principles are applied.

While the other changes could happen tomorrow, the transformation of a whole society is long term process.

So, definately transforming people's minds towards a peace culture before a settlement is good but not essential. What really needs to happen and it is totally irrelevant imo whether the people are not ready phychologically for reunion, is that the surface issues should be solved and as I explained the surface issues are not hard to resolve.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, ok, now I get it.
Ok, but do you think your levels one and two will be working, with level 3 not being implemented?

For example: lets say, the property issue gets solved and people could return to their ancestral homes. If they are not ready to 'intergrate at all levels of society', as you put it, how shall a bi-communal life exist and work?

Or take your second level: political solution - maybe the politicians agree on something but most people are not ready to accept it cause it might be unfair from their point of view. (which it definitely will be for a number of people, regardless how a settlement will look). So what they do? Next election sees a different candidate/party win and certain agreed regulations might be overturned.

Ok, I know it's a simplistic view I use here, but nevertheless I think education and changing people's minds IS a very important piece of a settlement. Otherwise any given settlement will just not work, imho.

Probably a settlement could be imposed on the people (wouldn't be the first time) and over the years people come to terms with it...
Is that what you meant?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

city wrote:
ah, ok, now I get it.
Ok, but do you think your levels one and two will be working, with level 3 not being implemented?


I think it will work, but certainly with level 3 being implemented it will work much better. But the thing is, I don't think it is a matter of whether if it will work or not. It is a matter of resolving the issue and that will heal more wounds than any peace education program.

city wrote:

For example: lets say, the property issue gets solved and people could return to their ancestral homes. If they are not ready to 'intergrate at all levels of society', as you put it, how shall a bi-communal life exist and work?


It will exist like it does today. There are 2000 Turkish Cypriots living in South and thousands more who work or visit, there are also 500 Greek Cypriots who live in North and thousands who visit. Is there discrimination, certainly. Cars with Turkish Cypriot number plates get scratched in south, Greek Cypriot enclaves in North live under inhumane conditions. I believe there will be fights between Greeks and Turks, perhaps even riots because some people are still racists, however it is normal in post conflict countries.

city wrote:
Or take your second level: political solution - maybe the politicians agree on something but most people are not ready to accept it cause it might be unfair from their point of view. (which it definitely will be for a number of people, regardless how a settlement will look). So what they do? Next election sees a different candidate/party win and certain agreed regulations might be overturned.


No country in the world today has real democracy and a proposed solution will not reflect the will of the people. Makarios said "what is desirable does not always coenside with what is feasible". To be realistic the only feasible solution in Cyprus is BBF which is not what people want. Nevertheless it seems preferable to partition and I believe people will sacrifice their wants for a better future. Certain agreed regulations being overturned is part of the democratic process, I think or I hope people will be able to accept such changes and respect the choice of the majority.

city wrote:
Ok, I know it's a simplistic view I use here, but nevertheless I think education and changing people's minds IS a very important piece of a settlement. Otherwise any given settlement will just not work, imho.

It certainly is but from what i understand you suggest that it should take place before a settlement. I beleive peace education is very useful but not a prerquisit for solution.

city wrote:
Probably a settlement could be imposed on the people (wouldn't be the first time) and over the years people come to terms with it... Is that what you meant?

Not the best option but yes, I believe it is better than waiting 50 years until people are over the racial hateress and then unite!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the late reply Stavri...

stavrizatz wrote:
It is a matter of resolving the issue and that will heal more wounds than any peace education program.

Ok, you are the Cypriot here, so if this is your feeling/thinking then I will hope that you are right. I am looking at things probably from a more objective angle and not from the emotional one that you certainly (and rightly so) have.
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I believe there will be fights between Greeks and Turks, perhaps even riots because some people are still racists, however it is normal in post conflict countries.

I definitely hope that you are wrong on this one!

stavrizatz wrote:
It certainly is but from what i understand you suggest that it should take place before a settlement. I beleive peace education is very useful but not a prerequisite for solution.

Yes, that is actually what I thought, or at least parallel. But now, when seeing it from your point of view it might well come afterwards.

city wrote:
Probably a settlement could be imposed on the people (wouldn't be the first time) and over the years people come to terms with it... Is that what you meant?

stavrizatz wrote:
Not the best option but yes, I believe it is better than waiting 50 years until people are over the racial hateress and then unite!

I certainly agree on this one. Cause another 34 years deadlock will not contribute in changing peoples mind! To the contrary. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

city wrote:
Sorry for the late reply Stavri...


no worries...i forgot about it Wink

city wrote:
Ok, you are the Cypriot here, so if this is your feeling/thinking then I will hope that you are right. I am looking at things probably from a more objective angle and not from the emotional one that you certainly (and rightly so) have.

Definately I am my opinions are more emotional as I am attahced to the issue but that doesn't make your opinion inferior to mine, in fact it is better because you would be more objective. But let me put it that way if is to have 'peace' where the people from Kerynia, Morfou and Karpasia cannot return to their homes and churches are still stables, and Turkish names still replace Greek ones, then we will have peace in theory but not in practice.

stavrizatz wrote:
I believe there will be fights between Greeks and Turks, perhaps even riots because some people are still racists, however it is normal in post conflict countries.

city wrote:
I definitely hope that you are wrong on this one!

I hope I am wrong too.

but look if there is a rape of a Turkish Cypriot women by a Turkish Cypriot, it is a crime. If a Greek Cypriot rapes a Turkish Cypriot then there is a reason to go to war! There was a football game between Anorthosis and Apoel and after the hooligans clashed the were people seriously injured if I am not mistaken in another game a person died. Now imagine a game between Apoel and Cetikaya! We just need to deal with it just like we deal with other everyday problems and not let it influence us.


city wrote:
stavrizatz wrote:
It certainly is but from what i understand you suggest that it should take place before a settlement. I beleive peace education is very useful but not a prerequisite for solution.

Yes, that is actually what I thought, or at least parallel. But now, when seeing it from your point of view it might well come afterwards.

I didn't say it should happen afterwards, it should start as soon as possible imo, but what I am saying not as a prerequisite
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't say it should happen afterwards, it should start as soon as possible imo, but what I am saying not as a prerequisite


that's what I meant what I agree to now. Of course asap but not as a prerequisite.

As we are talking education - have you heard about this book?
The authors name sounds somehow known...

Quote:
The violent road to division
(archive article - Sunday, October 12, 2008)

The Cyprus Republic, which was established in 1960, collapsed in 1963 after Archbishop Makarios’ 13-points proposal for the amendment of the constitution. A detailed account of the ensuing crisis is given in Makarios Droushiotis’ book The First Partition, which has been published in English. The excerpt below details the shocking events of December1963 as Cyprus hovered on the brink of war with Turkey.


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=41868&archive=1
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makarios Drousiotis has nothing to do with Makarios the president/archbishop.

He is author/journalist with his own website
http://www.makarios.ws
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1960 constitution was not the choice of Cypriots so I think the violence that follows came almost naturally. In the Greek Cypriot history books the events are not descriped much different, anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavrizatz wrote:
Makarios Drousiotis has nothing to do with Makarios the president/archbishop.

I certainly know that much!

stavrizatz wrote:
He is author/journalist with his own website
http://www.makarios.ws

So I might probably have come across his name as the author of a newspaper article or something similar I guess...
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