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De_La_Soul
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: hahaha - Erolz views are taking the piss Reply with quote

...and the reason why I didnt say 'Erolz is taking the piss' is explained below.

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Saying you are talking shit is a criticism of your point of view which is allowed. Not a very useful criticism but it is not a personal attack. Saying you are a shit is a personal attack.

You post was quarantined because calling another post ignorant is not a criticism of their opinion but a criticism of them as a person - ie a personal insult and thus not allowed.

Criticising another forum members views is allowed. Insulting another forum member is not allowed. This is sometimes a 'judgement call'; that the mods/admins are require to make.

If you feel my judgment calls are wrong then ask another mod/admin to review them. If you insult other members and the post is reported you will be sanctioned as you have been in the past , as you seem unable to post without insulting others members.


Goes to show that this is a pro-Turkish website.
I've been given warnings for the most petty things and told I couldnt swear or go out of lines of 'the spirit of the forum'.

The post above throws all of that out the window! lol
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, some of your posts are sound, some very funny, and some just shows you can't deal with a comment, so you resort to personal insults. If you feel that annoyed, don't respond, and if you must, find a more intelligent, respectful way to do it. Others can, why not you?

No one out to impose a view on anyone else, but if we can't share ideas/thought without a few people generating bad vibes, not good for any of us. So give Erolz a break - if he was being inconsistent and biased as you say, we would all say so. But I think the Mods here are pretty fair and it's all voluntary, so give da man a break!
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De_La_Soul
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have no idea of some of the petty reasons why I have been given a warning.

It seems when its a Turk or Turkish Cypriot doing the same, Erolz does his best to find a technicality in the forum rules like its an episode of LA Law or something.

I even got a warning just for calling someone the word 'ignorant' lol.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firtsly the above was sent to you as a PM (private message) in response to you reporting zans post. The public posting of personal/private messages is considered bad internet behaviour.

Secondly I make clear that the decision I made is a judgement call. I made clear that you are welcome to have this call made by me reviewd by any other mods/admins - which include Greek Cypriot as well as non cypriot indivduals.

What people have been given warnings for in the past is publiuc record. All quarantined posts can be viewed by members and they can review these to see if they thinkj the decision was a fair one or not.

You claim the site is pro Turkish (whatever that means) - yet the reality it is run jointly by Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot and non Cypriots and remains one of the most 'open' forums around - with a policy of no removal of any posts , only quaranting of such posts and a balanced asmin team. If there is any other such forum out there for Cyprus issue please feel free to use it and to recommend it to those here.

The bottom line is many many posters post here all the time without ever insulting other members. You are not one of them. In fact you are one of the leading posters re insulting people. If you did not do this then you would not recieve warnings. It really is that simple. If the applying of the rules to you is evidence of 'pro turkish' bias of the site, then yest the site is 'pro turkish'.
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De_La_Soul
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and what are the rules?

...and what does 'spirit of the forum' mean too?

...at the end of the day, not that I was offended but I just wanted to make a point that saying someone is 'talking shit' in most peoples eyes is probably just as offensive as calling someone a mug.

Once again with Erolz, the Greek Cypriot bites the bullet on this issue.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, no need to make this a Turkish Cypriot-Greek Cypriot issue. That's as bad as blowing up the School Incident, just polarizing everyone.

Rules are there for all to see. If you feel hard done by, why not get a review as Erolz says?

Also, if you were out & about and met some people, you talk about X topic, unless you very familiar to them, I'm sure you would not say to them "you're talking sh*t" or "you're a mug" - to mates yes. As this not a mates forum, there are other more polite ways to say this.

But why insult at all - just post the counter fact and let everyone else draw the conclusion s/he is talking crap...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

De_La_Soul wrote:
You have no idea of some of the petty reasons why I have been given a warning.


Anyone can see for what posts a user was given a warning - the quarantined posts section of the forum is viewable to any member. There is no 'secracy' involved here at all. The quarantined posts section shows who and for what a person was given a warning.

De_La_Soul wrote:

It seems when its a Turk or Turkish Cypriot doing the same, Erolz does his best to find a technicality in the forum rules like its an episode of LA Law or something.


That may be how it seems to you but it does not mean it is true. For your information I personally stopped making any proactive calls on posts and these days merely respond to those posts reported. When a post is reported I make a judgment call as to if it contains personal attacks and insults or not and take the appropriate action. Any other mod/admin is free to do the same. All it takes for a post to be quarantined is for a single mod/admin to consider it in breach of the rules.

De_La_Soul wrote:

I even got a warning just for calling someone the word 'ignorant' lol.


If you can not understand why calling someone ignorant is a personal attack/insult and in breach of the rules , then I suggest this is why you have received so many warnings to date and why you think the admins (and me especially) are biased.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As my name has been mentioned I suppose I will have to reply in some way.

De La Soul
If you want me to apologies for using those words then I am sorry. I just thought that that was the norm between you and me. Lord knows I have held back more often than not but I have never reported any of your insults or offensive remarks....EVER. Perhaps if you tone down your posts then I will not let slip every now and again as you are proving to be a little sensitive.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

De_La_Soul wrote:
...and what are the rules?


http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/faq.php?mode=sitefaq

De_La_Soul wrote:

...and what does 'spirit of the forum' mean too?


You will have to ask whoever used the prase what they meant by it - however if it was used to you in a private message then questions about it should be via a private message. That is basic internet etitquet

De_La_Soul wrote:

...at the end of the day, not that I was offended but I just wanted to make a point that saying someone is 'talking shit' in most peoples eyes is probably just as offensive as calling someone a mug.

Once again with Erolz, the Greek Cypriot bites the bullet on this issue.


That is your view. My judgment call is that saying you are talking shit was a criticism of your argument and not you as a person. Others my judge the post differently and if any other mod / admin thinks that zans post was a personal attack/insult then they can and will quarantine that post. If and when this happens will you retract your accusations of forum bias? No of course you will not.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

De La Soul, stop whining. It's not that complicated. Argue the points not the people.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good God, leave the forum for a few hours and DLS throws his toys out of the pram once again... although I guess saying that means I am supposedly 'pro-Turkish'.

DLS, I saw nothing in Erol's PM which demonstrates bias against you because of your being of Greek-Cypriot extraction. The reason why you accrue so many warnings (and subsequent bans) is simply because of your patent inability to engage in civilised dialogue and as a number of people have pointed out 'argue the point not the person'.

If anything, it is you that has consistently demonstrated bias based on ethnicity rather than the other way around. Disagree with people certainly, but don't resort to lambasting them simply because their views differ from yours. Abuse doesn't substitute for argument, it simply reduces the weight of your argument.

If you ever feel that you have received a warning without provocation from any one of the mods, you have the right to ask any of the others to look at this. But, this isn't a court of law, if any moderator feels that you have been unnecessarily abusive to another forum member you will receive a warning. As Erol said, on a number of occasions he has sought guidance from the other moderators as to whether certain people deserved warnings/bans rather than acting alone, so to label him in such a way is out of line.

Anyway, I doubt you'll ever get the point others are trying to help you understand, so this has no doubt been a wasted two minutes typing this.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

De La Soul if I ran this forum you would have a life time ban on the house.

There have been times when I stood up for you (dont start all this I don't want your help bullshit) when people criticised you.

don't mind getting a ban for saying this because I rarely have time to eve check the forum.

De La Soul - your a complete dick.

you think the whole forum is out to get you.
Face the facts - Its called the Cyprus problem because it involves all Cypriots. But I suppose you see it as the Turkey Problem Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CTD wrote:
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De La Soul - your a complete dick.


I hope you got a warning for that, otherwise DLS is right, maybe the forum does have double standards with warnings!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavrizatz wrote:
CTD wrote:
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De La Soul - your a complete dick.


I hope you got a warning for that, otherwise DLS is right, maybe the forum does have double standards with warnings!!!


I got my warning and my post was quarantined and I deleted it so stop all this crap about double standards. The forum functions perfectly even if some insults go by the way side and some get punished for a little mistake. These guys are only human. Perhaps we should have a " speak to each other nicely day" as some of you are getting a bit too sensitive. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavrizatz wrote:
CTD wrote:
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De La Soul - your a complete dick.


I hope you got a warning for that, otherwise DLS is right, maybe the forum does have double standards with warnings!!!


Have you even bothered to report the post ? If you do not report a post then please do NOT complain that no action has been taken against it.

As I already explained , I used to 'pro actively' police posts if I saw them and thought they were in breach of the rules but gave up such 'pro active' action a long time ago - mainly to avoid the possibility that I might be 'picking' on certain indivduals. Now you do not bother to take the 2 seconds it takes to report a post, but take the minutes necessary to suggest bais because no pro active action has been taken against a post you could not be bothered to report.

You report the post and I or another mod/admin will take the action they see. If you can't be bothered to do then don not complain that no action has been take. If you do report it and action is taken will you then come back and say your suggestion of bias was unfounded in this case?
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