Independce day message makes displaced angry

[turkkan]

Kyrenia refugees are disappointed with President Papadopoulos’ Independence Day message and his reference to a bizonal solution, saying such a formula would “condemn” them to permanent displacement.

“We will never abandon the struggle to return to our ancestral homes”, the Kyrenia Refugees Association “Adouloti Kerinia” declared in a statement.

In his TV broadcast to mark the 46th anniversary of Cyprus’ independence, Papadopoulos reaffirmed his wish to find, through substantive negotiations, a balanced and functional solution “on the agreed basis of a bizonal, bicommunal federation”.

Such a solution should ensure the real reunification of Cyprus—of its people, territory, society, economy and institutions—and safeguard the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all its citizens, he said.

Not happy

But the Kyrenia people were not happy. “We are of the opinion that through such a bizonal bicommunal federation, the only thing that will be achieved will be the dissolution of the Cyprus Republic” they asserted.

This, they argued, had become clear through the provisions of the Annan Plan. The result would be a “racist monster of a state”, which would be under the hegemony of Turkey. It would be the end of hellenism on the island which would become totally Turkish.

“Through a bizonal, bicommunal federation, our refugees would be condemned to a permanent state of displacement, since the term itself signifies turkification of the occupied areas”.

The association referred to another part of President Papadopoulos’ speech in which he assured Turkish Cypriots that through such a functional and viable solution they feel certain about their future.

The Kyrenia people said since such a solution would make them permanent refugees, the Turkish Cypriots should not feel sure about their future.

“Because we the people who became refugees in 1974 and our descendants, will never accept this affront and we will never give up the struggle to return to our ancestral homes. For us the Turkish occupation will continue to exist and we will oppose it until liberation of our lands.”

This course of action was fully supported by international law, the association added, and deplored the President’s remarks.

In his speech, Papadopoulos said “We have every right to be proud of our state, our Republic, which continues to be recognized internationally, despite the many organized attempts to destroy it”.

“The legitimate citizens of the Cyprus Republic are the Greek and Turkish Cypriots alike. There is only one people with a common country, a common future”.

He also reconfirmed his attachment to the July 8 agreement saying “We are sincerely interested in and are consistently working towards the full implementation of the July 8 agreement, without any conditions”.

Delaying tactics


He accused the Turkish Cypriot side of applying delaying tactics in the setting up and operation of the technical committees and working groups, envisaged in that agreement, which was brokered with the help of U N undersecretary-general Ibrahim Gambari.

Papadopoulos repeated that it was necessary to prepare the ground properly for any negotiations , if these were to have chances of success. If there were to be “show” meetings between the two leaders in order to make impressions, without proper preparation, this would not promote a solution.

He said the Turkish side’s efforts to politically “upgrade” the breakaway state in the north would “neutralize” efforts to achieve a settlement.


From the cyprus-weekly.



The Kyrenia people said since such a solution would make them permanent refugees, the Turkish Cypriots should not feel sure about their future.

This part here should be a warning to all turkish cypriots, even when a solution is signed if it is, the problems on this island are far from over. If turkey has a 300-400 troop presence in cyprus, a symbolic one, it would do a lot to put us in a more secure position as a community.

[De_La_Soul]

The sentence in bold could have been read into so many different ways but yet there is another Turk here who wants to use it as propaganda.

[turkkan]

Ive been starting at that statement and trying to think of an other interpreation for it, but nothing comes to mind some enlighten me on what else the bold could have meant?

[De_La_Soul]

Infact here is the quote in its proper context.

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default.aspx?FrontPageNewsID=304_3

[De_La_Soul]

[turkkan]

ANd i asked you to give me some examples of how else it could have been interpreted. That is the first thing that came to mind when i read that and i beleive that it is a threat along the lines of, if you do not give us our ex-land back you will never have a certain future on this island.

[De_La_Soul]

No you deliberatly copied certain extracts like the one at the end to edit the article to suit your propaganda tactics.

So because the Kyrenia refugees rightly commited themselves no to give up the struggle for their homeland...this translates in your head that they will all creep up in the night and wipe out the Turkish Cypriots from the island??? Is that the way Denktash has made your brain work then??

Besides, the bit that supposedly made you alert was written by a journalist and was a throwaway description of what was said in this rally.

If you choose to take it as the way you have so you can pretend it is another reason to keep the Turkish troops on the island, then you do that. We all know why your twisting things and thats the way you have been conditioned to think.

[turkkan]

Well as long as 'we all know', thats ok. I suppose youre education in the south was very unbiased and very liberal at that also.


In this day and age its not guns you have to worry about, but economic pressure, discrimination etc, there are more ways than guns or violence to bring a community to do what you want it to. The kyrenians have said that unless they get their land back their can be no security in the turkish cypriots future even if their is such a solution. Now given the fact that no Turkish Cypriot in his right mind would ever agree on giving kyrenia back, i logically came to the conclusion that turkish troops, a small symbolic amount, would be necessary.

I dont see where the propaganda is? You still havent told me how else i could interpet that statement. Apparently you claim there are several ways, so lets hear one.

[De_La_Soul]

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[Alexios]

The people of kyrenia are propably the most sensitive of all the refugee population.I first visited Kyrenia when the check points opened.You see, as a wild Paphian hillbilly i didnt visit Kyrenia before leaving for the UK in 1977.So when i climbed over the mountain and looked down at that paradise of a place and knowing deep in my self that the Kyrenians will propably never return to their homes my heart broke.
I don't care much about Adouloti Kerinia.They are an association that since it's formation have been using that type of rhetoric that typifies the criminal way most of our politicians have been using sentiment instead of logic in the last 30 years to win popular support over the national issue.
But i have the greatest sympathy for the Kyrenian people who, i believe deep down know that Kyrenia is that single place that has the least chances of all to be returned to it's rightful owners atleast in the way they dream about.Talking with a lot of them, they appear to have a kind of mental block about the whole matter forged with decades of false promises about their return and really, brutal exploitation of their sentiments.
So i beg everybody to try and understand these people.Hopefully, the day will come when they will accept that Kyrenia is OUR place within a BBF settlement which will atleast give them the opportunity to feel part of it if not the masters of it the way they were pre 1974.Meantime unfortunately, the place is turning into a chaos of cement very much thanks to Christofias and his bricklaying abilities...

[Kifeas]

There can be no re-unification solution without the right of the Kyrenians to return back to their ancestral lands (and not as second class citizens like some few of them may have been able to return under the Annan plan.) The only solution, outside an 82:18 partition, that may ever be allowed to be accepted by the Greek Cypriot community, is the one that will among others guarantee the right of the Kyrenians to return back to their ancestral lands -those that they themselves will want to do so, and not those that the Turks will choose to allow, and with all their dignity, cultural, human and political rights fully respected, guaranteed and safeguarded. Kyrenians may constitute only 4% of the Greek Cypriot community, but they control a substantially much larger share of the economy and the political life of the Republic of Cyprus and the south, and they will never allow “pezevenklik” solutions like the Annan plan to go through.

[zan]