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Bananiot
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| The German Presidency has questioned the entry of Cyprus into the Eurozone in January 2008. The Cyprus entry infringes on political issues, it has proclaimed, sending the shivers down Papadopoulos's spine and elevating Christofias to heaven, for the latter does not agree, publicly at least, for our entry in 2008 and has proposed for a year's delay. This plantation is funny! |
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cypezokyli
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i wouldnt worry that our entry to the euro will be stopped.
but to ignore the statement is also as immature. it is another piece of evidence that our positions do not really convinces as many people as before. |
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Kifeas
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| Bananiot wrote: |
| The German Presidency has questioned the entry of Cyprus into the Eurozone in January 2008. The Cyprus entry infringes on political issues, it has proclaimed, sending the shivers down Papadopoulos's spine and elevating Christofias to heaven, for the latter does not agree, publicly at least, for our entry in 2008 and has proposed for a year's delay. This plantation is funny! |
Do not get over-excited Bananiot, there is nothing to worry about. It was just a non studious comment made by the finance minister of the government of Germany. No shivers are down Papadopoulos spine, since it is not up to him or the German presidency to decide, but it is a decision to be taken by the relevant bodies of the commission and the EU central bank, and no political criteria but strictly economical ones can apply. For those that know just a little bit about the EU, what you are trying to celebrate is pure nonsense. Unless the sun rises from the west and sets in the east, Cyprus will be a member of the European monetary union by the 1st of January 2008.
As for Christofias, it is hard for me to take him seriously any longer, but not for the same reasons that you do not. |
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pg
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| It is actually an obligation on Cyprus to join the Euro... |
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Bananiot
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| Kifeas, perhaps you can tell us why it is hard for you to take Christofias seriously now. Perhaps, while you are at it, you can also remind everybody of what you were saying about the obligation of Turkey to sign the Ankara Protocol and why all the patriots in Cyprus have suddenly forgotten it. |
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Mete
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| Bananiot wrote: |
Kifeas, perhaps you can tell us why it is hard for you to take Christofias seriously now. Perhaps, while you are at it, you can also remind everybody of what you were saying about the obligation of Turkey to sign the Ankara Protocol and why all the patriots in Cyprus have suddenly forgotten it.
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Good point. Remember how much of a deal they made last time? They were acting as if Turkey's EU journey was over unless Turkey made huge compromises in Cyprus. Now hardly anyone talks about Turkey having to do something in Cyprus. |
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Kifeas
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| Bananiot wrote: |
| Kifeas, perhaps you can tell us why it is hard for you to take Christofias seriously now. Perhaps, while you are at it, you can also remind everybody of what you were saying about the obligation of Turkey to sign the Ankara Protocol and why all the patriots in Cyprus have suddenly forgotten it. |
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| Good point. Remember how much of a deal they made last time? They were acting as if Turkey's EU journey was over unless Turkey made huge compromises in Cyprus. Now hardly anyone talks about Turkey having to do something in Cyprus. |
Of cource you are both kidding us, aren't you?
Are you serious Mete? Turkey has in front of it the obligation to open its ports and airports to the Republic of Cyprus and normalise relations with it, and only for this purpose 8 whole chapters were indefinitely frozen, plus the entire process (opening of the remaining chapters) has been slowed down dramatically and in the mercy of Cyprus consent (for each chapter,) and you tell me now hardly anyone talks about Turkey having to do something in Cyprus? Where do you live?
And Bananiot, Turkey has already signed the Ankara protocol which includes the 10 new member states. Have you forgotten this already?
As for Christofias, I cannot comprehend his positions regarding not entering the monetary Union (adoption of Euro) this year but next year instead, and I cannot comprehend his opposition to Cyprus applying to become a member of the "Partnership for Peace" association. His views on these two issues sound very surrealistic, to say the least. |
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Mete
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| Kifeas wrote: |
Are you serious Mete? Turkey has in front of it the obligation to open its ports and airports to the Republic of Cyprus and normalise relations with it, and only for this purpose 8 whole chapters were indefinitely frozen, plus the entire process (opening of the remaining chapters) has been slowed down dramatically and in the mercy of Cyprus consent (for each chapter,) and you tell me now hardly anyone talks about Turkey having to do something in Cyprus? Where do you live?
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Since you live in Cyprus, you can answer these following questions better. It's been 3 years since the Annan plan referendum. Tell me one thing that changed in your everyday life in Cyprus. Tell me one concrete thing Turkey was forced to do in Cyprus on the ground. I'm not talking about future obligations or agreements on paper. I'm talking about real concrete things Turkey was forced to do by the Republic of Cyprus since the Annan plan.
Waiting for your answer. If you have trouble answering, don't worry, you're not alone, I understand you completely. Afterall, I'm a Turkish Cypriot who is a Republic of Cyprus citizen on the paper with all the rights and privileges described but we know how much of those rights and privileges I have been allowed to exercise in the last 40+ years. |
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stavrizatz
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| I don't care if Germany questions us getting in the eurozone, all I care is us start using the euro from the 1st of January 2008, that will make it much easier to travel. I think it is stupid that all the coutnries in the world have different currencies, why don't we all have the same? |
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Bananiot
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| As for Christofias, I cannot comprehend his positions regarding not entering the monetary Union (adoption of Euro) this year but next year instead, and I cannot comprehend his opposition to Cyprus applying to become a member of the "Partnership for Peace" association. His views on these two issues sound very surrealistic, to say the least. |
I take it therefore, that you are okay with the meetings between delegations of AKEL and CTP that have been taking place recently for discussions on some limited changes to the Annan Plan so that "it can be accepted by both communities". |
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-mikkie2-
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| The German Presidency has questioned the entry of Cyprus into the Eurozone in January 2008. |
Bananiot. This is a non issue! The Presidency DID NOT make such a statement. It was infact a personal opinion of the German foreign minister as opposed to German policy or EU policy.
The German Presidency has confirmed that Eurozone entry for Cyprus is and will be based on economic criteria. Cyprus is a net CONTRIBUTOR to the EU!
Perhaps what was said is that Eurozone entry of Cyprus will have political implications in the region, which in some respects is true.
I feel you have fallen for the Cypriot fault of basing facts on heresay! |
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city
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I had a look at some German sources in the net (finance news, Reuters etc), to see what the German finance minister actually said.
Here are a few quotes and my translation:
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| Zündstoff ist auch die geplante Einführung des Euro in Zypern, die erstmals nicht wie bisher nur anhand wirtschaftlicher Fakten, sondern auch politisch entschieden werden könnte. |
"A reason for discussions could also be the planned introduction of the Euro in Cyprus, which could for the first time also be decided politically and not as usual only on economic criteria."
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| "Im Fall von Zypern muss sich gegebenenfalls der Europäische Rat mit den politischen Implikationen beschäftigen", hob er hervor. |
"" In the case of Cyprus, should the situation arise the European Council might need to look into the political implications" he pointed out."
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| Bundesfinanzminister Peer Steinbrück sagte, sollte es dabei im Falle Zyperns zu politischen Problemen wegen der Teilung der Insel kommen, müssten sich damit die Staats- und Regierungschefs im Juni unter Vorsitz von Kanzlerin Angela Merkel beschäftigen. |
"Finance minister Peer Steinbruck said, should in the case of Cyprus political problems due to the division of the island arise, the heads of states/governments under the presidency of Angela Merkel might have to engage in it in June."
So, as I understand it, all he says is, that the case is not as easy in Cyprus as the introduction of the Euro could also have political implications and the decision maybe should be considering this.
Apart from all this, as I see the facts, nothing is decided yet. Cyprus did apply in March to enter the Euro zone and the final decision by the EU will be made in May. On the 16th the EU commission and the ECB will give their recommendations and after that the heads of states of the members will make the final decision. |
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Mete
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So, as I understand it, all he says is, that the case is not as easy in Cyprus as the introduction of the Euro could also have political implications and the decision maybe should be considering this.
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Thanks, city for translation. What you said pretty much confirms what Bananiot said when he started the topic. |
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Kifeas
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| Financial Mirror wrote: |
EU Presidency: Cyprus to adopt the euro based on same criteria
The German EU Presidency reaffirmed that the decision regarding the Republic of Cyprus’ accession to the Eurozone will be based on the same criteria that had been applied to all countries.
A written statement by the German Presidency said ''the Presidency advocates that the decision whether the Euro can be introduced in Cyprus will be based exclusively on the criteria laid down in the EC Treaty, as it was the case with all previous demands of countries requesting to join the Eurozone”.
Germany’s Minister of Finance Peer Steinbrueck had reportedly said that Cyprus' accession to the Eurozone might have political repercussions and thus should be discussed on a political level.
Cyprus expects to enter the Eurozone on 1st January 2008.
http://www.xak.com/main/newsshow.asp?id=72253
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city
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| Mete wrote: |
| city wrote: |
So, as I understand it, all he says is, that the case is not as easy in Cyprus as the introduction of the Euro could also have political implications and the decision maybe should be considering this.
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Thanks, city for translation. What you said pretty much confirms what Bananiot said when he started the topic. |
well, not really, imho. Bananiot said that "The German Presidency has questioned the entry of Cyprus into the Eurozone in January 2008." which is not the case.
Above quotes from German sources are not from the German Presidency but from Peer Steinbruck.
What the official stand of the EU and its presidency is is stated in Kifeas' quote in his post above. |
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