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repulsewarrior

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: discussion from topic number 3164 over moderation

Please read Kifeas's post on this thread now in quarantine, I don't know what it is doing there, it is actually very well written and expresses a point of view which is valuable for us to consider.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

repulsewarrior wrote:

Please read Kifeas's post on this thread now in quarantine, I don't know what it is doing there, it is actually very well written and expresses a point of view which is valuable for us to consider.

I agree that it contains some very good and valid argumentation.

However, the end of the first paragraph also has some name calling that we do not need here in the forum, imo. I am sure Kif may argue the factual case of it, but I must say that I find the clean-up that started this week is something very positive for the forum.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject:

pg wrote:

repulsewarrior wrote:

Please read Kifeas's post on this thread now in quarantine, I don't know what it is doing there, it is actually very well written and expresses a point of view which is valuable for us to consider.

Apparently Pg, the same person that quarantined my posting, pretended not to have seen the posting below, which came before mine and I quoted, but saw only mine and quickly and summarily put it in quarantine and issued his warning.

Viewpoint wrote:

Kifeas now you have really flipped, you are crazy I have always been clear on what I believe to be the right and deserved solution for Cyprus, you did not need to use under hand tactics (that's just another illustration of your true character) to find out that I am for recognized partition I have never hidden this fact, ask anyone on the forum.

The only crocodile tears belong to your illustrious leader Papadop.

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50170#50170

I only fell sorry for all those that cannot see the double standards and the warped interpretation of the forum rules that are applied and aim at forcing some people out of the forum.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject:

Kifeas wrote:

I only fell sorry for all those that cannot see the double standards and the warped interpretation of the forum rules that are applied and aim at forcing some people out of the forum.

Also the refs are human... and the escalation from 'crazy' to 'fascist' took you over the line; off-side.

In my opinion there is no need to respond to name calling even if also light such is criticism of the person. Better not respond and leave them standing there instead.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject:

Kifeas wrote:

I only fell sorry for all those that cannot see the double standards and the warped interpretation of the forum rules that are applied and aim at forcing some people out of the forum.

This is just rubbish. there is no ethnic bias in the applaying of the rules.

Kifeas you have not even reported the post you are complainig about. No one is being forced out. Those that break the rules are being encouraged to not do so. If that forces you to leave the forum then so be it.

Once more for the umpteeth time. Please not discuss moderator decision in the thread concerned but start another thread in an appropriate place and preferably AFTER you have given the moderators a chance to deal with the problem.

If you think a posts is in breach of the rules then REPORT IT using the facilites provided. If you think a decision is wrong and unfair then contact a mod /admin of your choice and THEN if you are still unhappy start a NEW thread in the RIGHT place is you must.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject:

pg wrote:

Kifeas wrote:

I only fell sorry for all those that cannot see the double standards and the warped interpretation of the forum rules that are applied and aim at forcing some people out of the forum.

First of all PG, I did not call viewpoint a fascist but I only said to him /her to “stop thinking and acting like a fanaticised and brainwashed little fascist that believes and hopes that with the use of foreign Turkish force will achieve and secure anything!” I was descriptive and not judgmental, if you know the difference, unlike viewpoint who directly called me crazy (“Kifeas now you have really flipped, you are crazy..”) in a judgmental way (i.e. as if I am crazy in reality!)

Furthermore and regardless of this, is there a scale on which one can put the word fascist on to it and say it weights 10 kilos, and the word crazy and say it weights 2 kilos, thus using the word fascist is an insult that merits a warning and a deletion of an entire paragraph from the post and a warning, but the other one is not an insult!

You know …what I am pointing out is not my desire to see a warning against Viewpoint! What I say and insist to it, is the fact that Kifeas is been targeted and hunted specifically!

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject:

Kifeas wrote:

You know â€¦what I am pointing out is not my desire to see a warning against Viewpoint! What I say and insist to it, is the fact that Kifeas is been targeted and hunted specifically!

I think you are driving most of the mods crazy... paranoid

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject:

erolasmod wrote:

I have given you plenty of chance and time yesterday via 5 PMs, to re-evaluate your decision on the posting bellow, and I have also given you plenty of chance to evaluate whether Eric Dayi’s post was also violating the same rules which you have used to delete my posting and issue your warning. (Both of them are re-posted below for everyone to see.) However, in my case you imagined that I was insulting Eric Dayi because what I meant as a missing ingredient was “Brain,” even though I said to you in PM that you can also put any other word in its place and still make sense, such as “will” or desire.” Yet, you insisted that I was insulting Eric Dayi, but you refused to see that by him calling (all) the G/Cs (including me and every other G/C member of the forum) as “brainwashed” in his previous posting that I quoted in the same post which you deleted, that it was not an insult. If this is not a deliberate targeting against me and warped approach and interpretation of the rules, simply because you do not like what I say, then I wonder what it is!

Kifeas wrote:

Eric Dayi wrote:

You really don't get it do you boomy? Do you know why you don't get it? It's because the Greek Cypriot's have been brainwashed to believe that the Greek Cypriot regime in the South is the so-called "Republic of Cyprus" and it can and will do what ever it wants to.

Precisely Eric! We have been "brainwashed" to believe the above, and we have also managed to "brainwash" the rest of the world, the UN, the EU, the Council of Europe and 70% of the T/Cs that obtained Republic of Cyprus passports and IDs after 2003. We are now sailing for the mission of "brainwashing" Turkey to believe the same thing!

It seems that the only one that we will never manage to brainwash, and thus will remain probably the last person on earth without getting done so, will be you Eric! You are beyond brainwashing Eric, simply because in order to brainwash someone we first need one very essential ingredient which in your case is non-existent!

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=50092#50092
and
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3253
and
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3252

Dhavlos
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject:

kifeas, if you have a problem with someones post...use the blue card, the mods will be informed, and it will be dealt with. It is hard to moderate, especially when we are not always on the forum. Any further discussion, please PM a mod, not ruin this thread. Thankyou.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:

Dhavlos wrote:

kifeas, if you have a problem with someones post...use the blue card, the mods will be informed, and it will be dealt with.

It is hard to moderate, especially when we are not always on the forum.

Any further discussion, please PM a mod, not ruin this thread. Thankyou.

Dhavlos, unlike some, I am not in the business of going around the forum after people, with an extra magnifying lens in my hand, and try to pick up words out of entire postings, so that I manage to score warning goals against them in order to drive them out of the forum. I do not have such an agenda! If you do not like things been said, then you can just split, delete or lock the thread, or as you so often do!

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject:

Kifeas wrote:

You mean you made repeated attempts to bully me into doing what you wanted me to do. I have explained to you the basis of my decisions. You do not have to agree with them but you should have the manners to respect them imho. Instead you apparently prefer tom maintin this imagined persectution - rater than just do the simple and obvious thing - namely DO NOT INSULT people directly in your posts.

Post of yours that was quarantined.

Quote:

It seems that the only one that we will never manage to brainwash, and thus will remain probably the last person on earth without getting done so, it will be you! You are beyond brainwashing Eric, simply because in order to brainwash someone we first need one very essential ingredient which in your case is non existent!

Cleary imho (and it is my humble opinions that counts here) this is an insult - your meaning is clear to me and everyone else no doubt. You are saying that he does not have a brian so therefore can not be brain washed. Personal abuse is not allowed. Your post was quarantined.

Post of Eric Dayi's that was quarantined.

Quote:

The Greek Cypriot's haven't got the brainpower to brainwash anyone except their own people who are missing the "essential ingredient" or are you trying telling me different?

Racist comments along the lines of 'Greek Cypriot do not have brainpower' are not allowed. The post was quarantined.

Post of Erci Dayi' that YOU want quarantined

Quote:

Saying Greek Cypriot (or Turkish Cypriot) have been brainwashed is NOT the same as saying they are BRAINLESS. The judgement call made on this that the post was not in breach of the rules.

This has been REPEATEDLY explained to you, politley and clamly and still you insist on your campaign of ignoring all forum etiquette and rules and common manners to FORCE YOUR interpretation on the mods /admins.

The decisions on these matters has BEEN MADE. You have BEEN INFORMED of them - repeatedly. If you MUST continue to argue that YOU are right and the bicommunal team of admin/mods are wrong - then please do as you have been politley asked to do. Start a NEW thread about it in the APPROPRITAE place.

There is SIMPLE way to ensure NONE of your posts EVER get quarantined and it is TOTALY in YOUR power. Namely to stop insulting members personaly in your posts.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject:

erolz wrote:

Kifeas wrote:

You mean you made repeated attempts to bully me into doing what you wanted me to do.

Bully you???? You must be joking!!! Well, I give you the “permission” to post here all but all the PM messages that we have exchanged yesterday, so that everyone sees if I have attempted to bully you!

erolz wrote:

I have explained to you the basis of my decisions. You do not have to agree with them but you should have the manners to respect them imho. Instead you apparently prefer tom maintin this imagined persectution - rater than just do the simple and obvious thing - namely DO NOT INSULT people directly in your posts.

Everybody with even an intermediate level of English mastering can see that in none of my above posts for which you gave warnings have I directly insulted those I was addressing. Especially the one from yesterday with Eric Dayi was down to your own deliberate perception, which you refused to re-considered even after I have explained to you that you cannot accuse someone for saying something by just implying yourself what the missing word was, since many other words can be used which would even make my posting to look like a complement for Eric Dayi. You insisted because you wanted to issue a warning, in the same way that you have gone out of your way and the forum rules in order to issue the one today. Let’s do not hide behind our fingers Erol, my presence here seems to be spoiling some peoples aims.

Saying that by the same yard stick, Eric dayi’s claim that we are all “brainwashed” is not a direct insult (since only stupid -people mentally inferior by nature, or poorly educated people, can be brainwashed in such an absolute and non-exceptional fashion,) then this is another one of your jokes I suppose. You see what you want to see, but you simply choose not to want to see almost what everybody else sees.

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject:

Kifeas wrote:

5 PM all insisting that I agree with you. All ignoring anything I say and all repeating the same things over and over that you now repeat here publically.

Kifeas wrote:

Are you REALLY going to SERIOUSLY claim that what you wrote about Eric not having the thing necessary to be brainwashed was NOT INTENDED by you to be insult against him but was in fact a compliment? If your posts are reasonably intepreted by me to be insults they will be quarantined. That is how this forum works. Take it or leave it.

Kifeas wrote:

Saying that by the same yard stick, Eric dayi’s claim that we are all “brainwashed” is not a direct insult (since only stupid, mentally inferior by nature or poorly educated people can be brainwashed in such an absolute and non-exceptional fashion,) then this is another one of your jokes I suppose.

HOW MANY TIMES will we go round this pointless futile and childish circle Kifeas before you just stop insulting people in your posts?

The decision made is that it is not unacceptable to say 'Turkish Cypriot community is brainwashed' within the context of an argument. It IS unacceptable to say that Greek Cypriot community is brainless or that an indiuvdual is brainless or that he does not have the necessary thing to be brainwashed - when that is REASONABLY interpreted to mean he has not brain.

Kifeas wrote:

You see what you want to see, and you simply choose not to want to see almost what everybody else sees.

By what right or under what delusion do you think you can talk for what EVERYBODY ELSE sees? Or is it to be taken as given that YOUR PERSONAL view is automatically what EVERYBODY ELSE thinks? The reality is that moderating decisions can be and are subject to discussion amongst the mod/admin team - a mixed and bicommunal group of reasonable people trying to do their best under difficult cricumstances. Your opinion that you so readily present as EVRYBODY ELSES bar mine is actually just your OWN view.

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:43 am Post subject:

Kifeas you are bang out of order, do you believe you are a trouble maker/agitator? who's aim is to ruin this forum which is way above any of the other forums. Why cant you just contribute without insulting anyone, why is it so difficult. Given this attitude if we were ever to reunite you would probably end up thumping many Turkish Cypriots on a daily basis because you didn't like what they were saying. Maybe you just need to take a deep breath and count to ten, re-evaluate the negative effect you have on people. You are constantly arguing with someone, not debating as others do and then you have the nerve to turn around and say you were not personally insulting anyone, well pardon me are you with us here on earth? Well done erolz how on earth do you keep your cool, hang on in there you are 100% right.

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:24 am Post subject:

Viewpoint wrote:

Kifeas you are bang out of order, do you believe you are a trouble maker/agitator? who's aim is to ruin this forum which is way above any of the other forums. Why cant you just contribute without insulting anyone, why is it so difficult. Given this attitude if we were ever to reunite you would probably end up thumping many Turkish Cypriots on a daily basis because you didn't like what they were saying.

Maybe you just need to take a deep breath and count to ten, re-evaluate the negative effect you have on people. You are constantly arguing with someone, not debating as others do and then you have the nerve to turn around and say you were not personally insulting anyone, well pardon me are you with us here on earth?

Well done erolz how on earth do you keep your cool, hang on in there you are 100% right.

Viewpoint, I have always thought you were acting just like a joker in the forum, and your above post simply proves once more the fact! The above more than obvious desire of yours to act as a moral booster and a back-scratcher for the administrator simply makes you look like a typical oily flatterer of the lowest level! Indeed, what a worst way to express your gratitude to your master that fought all his way to cover you up for your own insulting comments that he inequitably left “unpunished!” Rolling Eyes

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