The Orams have won their case

Crash Test Dummy · Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:45 am Post subject:

Its tomorrow guys

repulsewarrior · Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:28 am Post subject:

...news all over the world.

the Orams did not win, they are packing their bags to leave quickly.

the rights of a property holder have been upheld; 'facts on the ground' are meaningless, if tresspass is evident.

erolz · Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject:

repulsewarrior · Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:20 am Post subject:

...we have a definition of Property, this is good news because a Universal Tenent has been upheld under tremendous pressure. ironicly we can thank the Turkish State (and British) in demonstrating its value still.

as Cypriots we can hope now that this Principal is clear, and that it can be a foundation on which our freedom is based. it is for this reason that i have suggested that Bicommunally, as Individuals and as Persons demands a definition of Bizonality which follows with an end to the island torn in two as a 'fait accompli', and where at least for some a return as communities is possible, in the north and in the south, by adding to our geography enclaves.

we can live respectfully for each other as one People, while as Peoples respecting ourselves. three governing bodies must exist: a State that is Sovereign and two National Assemblies whose Jurisdiction is to serve a territory madeup of components that extend across the whole island.

...it may be that in this particular case the owner may not be able to return to his home to enjoy it himself, but he is now able to rent it to someone else at least to enjoy its benefit, we hope. if it is not torn down, this would be a sensible step forward. if the authorities determine to stand beligerant, there will no longer be any reason for the International community to consider its credibility.

Crash Test Dummy · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:42 am Post subject:

Erol the fact they cant use the house is irrelevant.

Its their house. If for one reason or another they cant access it then its still theirs.

erolz · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:37 am Post subject:

Crash Test Dummy · Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject:

I don't understand your question/point Erol.

erolz · Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:34 am Post subject:

I am just wondering what the Orams case has 'achieved'.

If what is has achieved is recognition in courts outside the Republic of Cyprus that pre 74 Greek Cypriot owners remain legal owners of property in the North, then that was already the case with the ECHR rulings that came before the Orams case.

Certainly it has achieved damage to the sale of property in the North to those with EU assets. Maybe this will help the propsects for a solution but it just as easy to imagine that it has and will worsen them.

We need a political solution. These limited private civil actions are just that, limited private civil actions and ones that do not result in any return or resolution even re the indivdual property concerned let alone in general terms.

repulsewarrior · Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:10 am Post subject:

the Orams protested, a
matter of plight. facts on
the ground was a plea
to be heard, on the ground.

what was the case, not
property, its ownership unquestionable
but passage, the trespass
an issue sponsors pressed
this far. the results are monumental
for plunderers worldwide
a signal, without consent
there is no issue to plea

...so it is a victory for all Cypriots
it is a victory for all Mankind, indeed
for all Humanity because what is
a Universal Right, prevails.

Crash Test Dummy · Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject:

RP has got it in one.

Nothing has been gained per se. Just that which is right and just has been upheld.

It will help the situation as there is less of an incentive for there to be no solution. Selling stolen assets/land suits quite a lot of people in a financial sense.