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Bananiot
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| Hello all. Nice to see all these old friends here but most important, it is heart warming to see the high standards maintained. I have been spending time in the other forum (Cyprus Forum) but I will give it a miss for a few months, because it has been hijacked by bigots of all sorts and there is no point in continuing there. |
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moonskin
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| (1) What gossip are you talking about? When have the civil servants in north Cyprus not receive their salaries? The fact is that they receive them every month, they have been receiving them every month for as long as I can remember (over 30 years), and most receive it on a 14 month basis. It is also a fact that the GDP in north Cyprus is much higher than Turkey and all branches of civil servants receive higher salaries to their counterparts in Turkey. Get a grip on realities. |
I know that they have been getting their salaries up to now you illiterate idiot, whats being gossiped is that due to the widely acknowledged financial status, there won't be any money left in your "dreamland of T R N C" to pay the salaries, unless your de-facto leader, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, gives you some money.
What gossip am I talking about? Here are two articles from KIBRIS and YeniDüzen newspapers, respectively. Only 2 days after your stupid post and completely humiliating you (which is absolutely well deserved, since you find it fit to publicly lecture about "realities," which you seem to know nothing about!):
First article, for only which I translated the title and not the entire article, is based on the words of your lovely new minister from your favorite party UBP (from 26th of May):
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| 15 milyon TL bulamazsam, sigorta emeklileri ödenemez [4]. |
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| If I can't find 15 million Turkish Liras, pension salaries can not be paid. |
And here is the second article concerning the brilliant ideas of your ideal prime minister, Dervis Eroğlu. He is talking about the immediate necessity of 100 million TL! Again, I will only translate the excerpt.
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Makamında TAK muhabirinin sorularını yanıtlayan Eroğlu, Türkiye ile yeni bir mali protokol imzalanması için Lefkoşa Büyükelçiliği kanalıyla girişim yapıldığını belirterek, İlk etapta 100 milyon TL ihtiyacı karşılayabilir. Ama Maliye Bakanlığının gelir-gider hesaplamaları sürüyor. Bakanlar Kurulunda konu ele alınıp netleştirilecek dedi [3]. |
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Eroğlu answered a journalist's questions (from state news agency TAK) and said that he has started an initiative through the channel of the Turkish embassy in Nicosia for a new financial protocol. He said, "initially 100 million TL can meet the demand. However, the calculations of income and outcome at the ministry of finance are still going on. The subject (how much money he will ask for) will be finalised at the council of ministers." |
So, you moron, the salaries will of course be paid but only because Turkey will pay them, as it has been for over 30 years and as I noted in my post! As soon as they (whoever runs Turkey) decide not to help, perhaps because they decide to remove UBP from the government, your party will disappear from the surface of Cyprus!
By the way, can you please explain me how the hell it helps to your argument, that north Cyprus GDP is higher than Turkey's GDP? How does this prove that north Cyprus economy is a healthy one? Because this seems to be the claim you are trying to support by making a comparison among the GDPs! You silly man! Do you even have a slight idea on the populations of two countries and how this plays in the comparison of two economies? Can you even do simple maths? Do you have a brain in the first place?
By the way, north Cyprus GDP is not "much higher." Turkey's GDP is close to 12k [1] and north Cyprus is somewhere close to 13-14k ( 11,8k @ 2006 [2]). What did you say? Get a grip on realities? Why don't you take your head out from the sand in the first place and try to learn the basic facts and figures about your motherland and your lovely T R N C? Before you decide to talk publicly about this kind of stuff, why don't you try to learn at least somethings about your claims first?
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| (2) Whether you like it or not UBP has been in power in north by the very electoral pool and the democratic system that elected the CTP. CTP has come to power only once and that is mainly by selling false hope via the AP. On the other hand UBP and /or Denktas has been elected far more and has been in a leadership role for much longer than CTP. So your arguement that 'Neither their success nor their failure has any deep meaning in any analysis targeting north Cyprus' is total nonesense, because whatever gain or loss we have had as the Turkish Cypriots, UBP + Denktas is responsible for the better part of it; not CTP. |
NO, you ignorant fool! That is not why CTP came to power! They came to power because people were sick of living in a place of lawlessness, rooted nepotism and frequent Turkish military interventions to our pathetic politics, which most of our politicians pretended as if it was not happening, so that they could deceive their people to be living in a democracy. We decided to get rid of UBP and Denktas because we simply wanted a just society and long before Eroglu's and Denktas's names started to be related with the Ergenekon terrorist organisation ruled by dark military fragments in Turkey, everybody with a little bit of brain in Cyprus already knew those relationships! We were sick and tired of UBP and Denktas because we no longer wanted to see our own journalists to be assassinated in the middle of a night, like Kutlu Adali, and our own state doing everything to cover it up. CTP came to power because we no longer wanted to be a country, economy of which is based on prostitution, casinos owned by Turkish mafia and extremely low quality universities, attracting the scum of rich Turkish youth, whose only intention is to have a long holiday in which they can entertain themselves by prostitutes, casinos and cocaine! We chose CTP, because Turkish Cypriots realised that they have no future in a country established on land which does not belong to themselves. Because, murataga, they realised that they can no longer keep sitting in a glass house and hope for a future! We chose them, because we realised that we can no longer continue with the continuous influx of very poor Turkish settlers, while our crime rates exploded and our state schools flooded with their children, preventing our children getting any satisfactory education. We chose them, murataga, because the hospitals flooded with Turkish settlers and no Turkish Cypriot could anymore get proper health care, unless they go to private or the south. We were sick of UBP, because they did not make a single investment to our electricity infrastructure and we had to remain in darkness couple of times in every week, despite we paid the bills. We kicked them out, because they became the darkness itself, feeding on our future at the cost of their shallow personal interests and lack of any vision for their community.
I really wonder, does any of this stuff mean anything to you? Perhaps not! You are just another poorly educated, opportunist individual who can't see anything beyond his/her nose and thinks that things can go forever like this, like the way you want them.
On the other hand, murataga, we thought that CTP could make an improvement on at least some of these. CTP fucked up big time! They did some things and we have to give it to them. For example, we now have a functional and continuously improving electricity infrastructure. But they failed on changing so many other things. They ignored the settlers problem and attempted to trick the people who voted for them as if the party never perceived Turkish settlers as a problem, despite this was on their very party programme which they entered the election campaign with! They never ever mentioned of the joining of the police forces into Turkish Cypriot civilian rule after elected. Not only that, they forgot why we chose them. They kept very similar nepotist practices, like UBP! Complete hopelessness and the will to punish CTP, is exactly why UBP won. And you are trying to convince us that UBP or Denktas has done any good to Turkish Cypriots and thats why they (UBP part) came back. I pity you and your shallowness murataga!
[1] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tu.html#Econ
[2] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/cy.html#Econ
[3] http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/template.asp?articleid=9269&zoneid=19
[4] http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/popup.php/cat/2/news/72228/PageName/Ic_Haberler |
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Bananiot
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Will you be coming to Cyprus this summer Moonskin? Michael was asking about you today.
P.S. No need to get angry, no matter how frustrated you can be, just record your views (friendly advise). |
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moonskin
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Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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Will you be coming to Cyprus this summer Moonskin? Michael was asking about you today.
P.S. No need to get angry, no matter how frustrated you can be, just record your views (friendly advise). |
Hey Bananiot,
You are right. But tell me, how understanding could I be when someone is so ignorant about the facts and about the reasons of why we are in this situation as the Turkish Cypriots? How calm could I remain my friend, when we are at the edge of disappearing as a community and someone is making propaganda of UBP and Denktas, who are the number one responsible sides for this, with their complete lack of vision and incompetent leaders. Like many people in our community, I am afraid of our future Bananiot. This party, UBP, has caused some serious damage to our community in the past (not only in the Cyprus problem) and we are afraid of what cost we might have to pay this time.
Well, anyway. I hope to be at Cyprus towards the end of year, maybe after September. I'm not sure yet. Are you still hanging at the same cafe? Say hi to Michael from me. I hope everything is going ok with both of you. Take care. |
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Bananiot
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| Well, Michael spends most of his time in Nicosia these days. He has made lots of new friends and we cannot keep him at home. He knows just about every single shop owner and some of his restaurant-owner friends even invite him to cook for them! You know how he likes cooking. |
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repulsewarrior
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| cheers, moonskin; very informative, thanks. |
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