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erolz
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
| To fulfill its expantionist desires nothing more and nothing less. Millions of realistic options but no interest in restoring such order. |
I think it is a fantasy to consider Turkey an expansionsit state. In desire, in policy or in action. It just is not. It is a young state, an insecure one, born out of replling multiple enemies on all sides imo but it just is not expansionist. If one measures an expansionist state by how much it states adesire to expand, how much it sets im motion policies to expand and how much it achieves expansion then no modern state could be considered more expansionist than Greece.
| stavrizatz wrote: |
| Sorry, I think your argument is pretty poor. Because between 64-74 there was ethnic conflict in Cyprus the Republic of Cyprus should not have been recognised post 64. With that logic many countries were not supposed to be recognised. And when you say other options you mean ethnically divide Cyprus!!!? |
You misunderstand my point. I am not saying the international community should have refused to recognise a Republic of Cyprus state. What it should have done is refuse to recognise that one community alone could represent that state. It should have simply said either both communites work togeather and are recognised togeather or neither one ALONE is. By granting defacto recognition of Greek Cypriot communite leadership as legitimate SOLE representatives of the Republic of Cyprus the international community sowed the seeds of continuing conflict and the events that occured in 74. That they did this for their own self interest and against all concept of legality is plainly the case.
| stavrizatz wrote: |
| Ok, then even the 400-500 Turkish Cypriots who live in the purely Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus belong to the Greek Cypriot community? |
Essentially yes, in terms of their consitutional rights to representation. They should have rights to representation as part of the Turkish Cypriot community within the Republic of Cyprus, but actually all they can have atm is the right to vote as part of the Greek Cypriot community. Which I think is why you will find there are so few of them and even less of those voted in the last elections. |
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pg
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Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Location: Cyprus
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| Mete wrote: |
| Get Real wrote: |
They'll happily grab the Republic of Cyprus passport just in case yet claim that the Republic of Cyprus doesn't represent them when it's not to their advantage!
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You're right that there are some Turkish Cypriots who gets Republic of Cyprus passport because it makes it much easier to travel in Europe and they still support T R N C. However, there are other Turkish Cypriots who genuinely consider returning back to a bizonal form of Republic of Cyprus.
Either way though, if the Republic of Cyprus claims to represent Turkish Cypriots, it has to let Turkish Cypriots to be represented in the Republic of Cyprus. I said this before many times and it's not that hard to understand. If the Republic of Cyprus thinks that it's a "security threat" to have Turkish Cypriots in the Republic of Cyprus, or some other excuse, that's fine. But don't tell the whole world that Republic of Cyprus represents the whole island and its people. Get it? |
I do not think the Republic represents anyone...it is just a legal framework - and the only legal one on the territory of the island.
The government (presently the Christofias government) represents the Republic. |
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stavrizatz
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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| erolz wrote: |
| stavrizatz wrote: |
| To fulfill its expantionist desires nothing more and nothing less. Millions of realistic options but no interest in restoring such order. |
I think it is a fantasy to consider Turkey an expansionsit state. In desire, in policy or in action. It just is not. It is a young state, an insecure one, born out of replling multiple enemies on all sides imo but it just is not expansionist. If one measures an expansionist state by how much it states adesire to expand, how much it sets im motion policies to expand and how much it achieves expansion then no modern state could be considered more expansionist than Greece. |
So it is a fantacy that Turkey
1. is occupying Cyprus and allready expanded taking over parts of Syria,
2.to ensure its terittorial integrity in areas that were not ethnically Turkish such as Pontos, western coast of today's Turkey and Kurdistan by ethnicallly cleansing non Turkish people in the region,
3. lastly claiming Aegean islands, Thrace and perhaps other areas in other neighbouring countries.
As for Greece it is another story, here I believe the conversation was about why is Turkey occupuing Cyprus but anyway to reply about Greece, where did Greece expand since the Asia minor Catastrophy / Victory?
| Erolz wrote: |
| You misunderstand my point. I am not saying the international community should have refused to recognise a Republic of Cyprus state. What it should have done is refuse to recognise that one community alone could represent that state. It should have simply said either both communites work togeather and are recognised togeather or neither one ALONE is. By granting defacto recognition of Greek Cypriot communite leadership as legitimate SOLE representatives of the Republic of Cyprus the international community sowed the seeds of continuing conflict and the events that occured in 74. That they did this for their own self interest and against all concept of legality is plainly the case. |
I don't think I misunderstood your point, I believe you've stated very clearly that either recognise the Republic of Cyprus with both communities in it as required by the constitution or none, despite that the Greek Cypriot community had no choice in decision of the Turkish Cypriot community to withdraw from the government and create a separate administration. Now what the international community wants, more to the point what the angloamericans want is some sort of military benefits from the conflict. The situation certainly suits the UK because as long as the Cyprus problem exists, no serious attempt to remove the british bases will be made. And why not recognise the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, because Greek Cypriots will lose every hope and will start thinking of other problems,perhaps reunite the southern part with Greece and there you go, a small, weak and stratigically important location is gone. |
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