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moonskin

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Turkish Cypriot politics in 2007 Reply with quote

Perhaps, most of us who try to follow the funny political world of Turkish Cypriots know that 2007 has been a year in which many hopes regarding our future were lost. We started off with a "classical" raw between the coalition partners DP and CTP which resulted in partial fragmentation of DP (Denktas's son's party) and UBP to form a new party called ORP. Note that, in the early 90s, DP was formed in the exact same way out of certain fragments in UBP.

So, why do we have so many parties in north formed in this particular way? Well, you already know the answer and the events that took place in 2007 regarding the formation of ORP, showed that the actual actors behind the scenes who create these formations are no longer afraid to do their dirty business in front of us.

It all depends on what the current interests of Turkey demand. A short while after Erdogan came to power in 2002, it was decided that Denktas's policies and himself are no longer needed for Turkey. Not only that, according to the new Erdogan government, a new way of "playing the game" in international politics was necessary and the best for Turkey's interests. Denktas had no role in this picture. Moreover, Turkish Cypriots did not seem to like him either, as they did for a long time in the past.

As a first step, the strongest loyal candidate which could stand up to Denktas in north Cyprus was identified as CTP and all support was given to party's candidate for the presidential election in 2005. Father Denktas accepted the reality and retired, letting Talat replace him as the new president. However, Denktas was still of a problem since DP was a coalition partner in the parliamentary system of north Cyprus. Not only that, as a retaliation and the only way of realizing his ideology, Denktas started to gather partners in Turkey and form a union of power against Erdogan.

This tension resulted by Erdogan's direct involvement in the establishment of a new party in the north, members which were formerly from DP and UBP and some of which were already MPs. Despite CTP seemed to have no direct involvement in this, it was clear that they were more than happy about the dissolution in DP and UBP.

Since then, enormous amounts of money seem to be flowing into the new party's bank account. Moreover, AKP has publicly made it obvious that they will be supporting the new party. When all these facts came together, people have realised that the "success" of ORP is immediate. Hence, the new party grew very fast in a very short amount of time. Of course, they grew on what was DP's or UBP's "land". Therefore, these two parties decided to "remember" the essential principles of democracy suddenly, but of course, they did not quit their begging visits to Ankara so that they could convince AKP or military to stop the support for the new party.

While all this pathetic theater game was being played in north Cyprus, Turkish Cypriots had the tickets in the first row! And this naturally made them loose any remaining respect for the system in north. DP and UBP humiliated themselves by preaching about democracy on the one hand and constantly visiting Ankara for having its support (which is currently provided for the ORP), on the other. CTP has lost a great deal of support for taking part in this organization of Erdogan's involvement. At the end of the day, CTP was perceived by many as the only possible way out from the corruption, militarist undemocratic rule, partisanship and isolation. The fact that we are here now, has caused a great damage in the hearts of Turkish Cypriots.

In this gloomy situation, Rasit Partev, who was working as a representative to Talat, has suddenly quit his job and announced that he is in the process of establishing a new party. So far, nobody seem to have any idea what this guy is really up to because there is no information given away by him about his plans. Who will be the financial supporters behind him? In which political lines will the new party be aligned with? We don't really know answers to these questions but we can try to interpret the signals. First of all, he said that this movement will not distinguish between settlers and the Turkish Cypriots, which suggest that he is willing to compete among right wing parties. But this is not surprising at all, given the situation those parties are currently in. We know that there is a strong support from the settlers to the ORP with Erdogan's backing but what about the Turkish Cypriots who are willing to vote for a right wing party and are sick of DP and UBP? It is widely conjectured that Pertev's actions are directed towards gathering support from precisely those Turkish Cypriots.

Pertev claimed that Talat had no information at all about his initiative but very few believed that. Actually, even Denktas junior said that he heard about Pertev's plans about one month before Pertev quit his job and went public with it. If this is true, if Talat already had information about this, then perhaps it is plausible to think of this situation as an operation to replace DP and UBP with a mature right-wing party in the Turkish Cypriot political life (something which will not hurt CTP much). Because with the drop of support of Ankara, since these parties had nothing to give to the people except theft and corruption packed with nationalist bullshit, they are likely to disappear soon as actors in Turkish Cypriot politics.

PS: I have not made any comments about the Ahmet Yonluer guy, since I really do not see him becoming an actor in north. He did quit his job as the person responsible of religious matters and claimed that he is in the preparation of establishing a new movement (that was very similar to Pertev's actions, wasn't it?). But it is almost impossible to have any support from Turkish Cypriots using religion. We just don't like that in politics. Therefore, he could only direct himself to the settlers who are being gathered under Erdogan's party. So, it is a very likely possibility that this guy will somehow join forces (or simply join) with ORP. This is the main reason I did not want to comment much on him.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank-you moonskin. i wish i knew more about the politics in the north, your posting sounds quite realistic, and i think that Turkish Cypriots, as opposed to turcophones, are in worse shape, when it comes to their own self determination, than their counterparts in the south.

there will be elections in about a year and a half. i hope by that time a political party will be formed that seeks to represent the people not as "Turks" but as this island's dwellers, hopefully more able, with candidates in the south as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to politis, a poll made by KADEM showed that 35% of the Turkish Cypriots are today undecided whom they would vote for!

from the rest:
CTP: 23%
UBP : 22%
Democratic Party: 7%
ORP: 4%
Party of Communal Democracy (!!! what kind of name and party is that? - i guess it is the problem of too many translations...) : 7%

ofcource each party grows bigger if one does not account for those undecided.

is pertevs party included in this poll?
and what happened to akici, or other small left parties?


.......

the biggest problems for Turkish Cypriots are:

Unemployment: 31%
Inflation:30%
position of the north in the international community: 27%
drugs: 12%
relations with Greek Cypriots: 10%
(somehow the above add up to more than 100%!!)

in any case, is unemployment and inflation that bad ?
drugs also ?

i do not know if they were asked (because in such polls we are asked constantly) about the water problem! we almost run out in the south!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cypezokyli wrote:


the biggest problems for Turkish Cypriots are:

Unemployment: 31%
Inflation:30%
position of the north in the international community: 27%
drugs: 12%
relations with Greek Cypriots: 10%
(somehow the above add up to more than 100%!!)


usually in such polls the options are set and people can tick more than one box, and state the priority they give such things. Hence the result is not really a total but more like a ranking....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cypezokyli wrote:
according to politis, a poll made by KADEM showed that 35% of the Turkish Cypriots are today undecided whom they would vote for!

from the rest:
CTP: 23%
UBP : 22%
Democratic Party: 7%
ORP: 4%
Party of Communal Democracy (!!! what kind of name and party is that? - i guess it is the problem of too many translations...) : 7%

ofcource each party grows bigger if one does not account for those undecided.

is pertevs party included in this poll?
and what happened to akici, or other small left parties?


By "Akinci and other small left parties" , I guess you mean BDH and TKP gardash? Smile. These two were unified to form the TDP or "Party of Communal Democracy" which name you found funny in the above. Well, actually you are right but there is a reason for this naming. Since TDP is the unification of BDH (Baris ve Demokrasi Hareketi - Peace and Democracy Movement) and TKP (Toplumcu Kurtulus Partisi - Communal Liberation Party), its name was chosen such that it contained something from both of the old party names, resulting in the name of TDP (Toplumcu Demokrasi Partisi - Party of Communal Democracy).

See here for the unification matter.

About Pertev, no, since his party does not exist yet Smile, it is not there. All that happened so far about Pertev is that he merely announced that he is in the process of establishing a party. We don't even know if he is going to manage to do that or not. There is currently no more information about it, not even the name of the party!

On the other hand, Ahmet Yonluer has recently registered his new party under the name HIS (Halk Icin Siyaset Partisi - Politics for the People Party) and will be very successful (only if the world cared about us) in convincing the rest of the world that nobody can beat us in generating useless political parties compared to which a butterfly can have a longer and a more meaningful life. He should also be awarded a trophy for the most stupid party name!

cypezokyli wrote:

.......

the biggest problems for Turkish Cypriots are:

Unemployment: 31%
Inflation:30%
position of the north in the international community: 27%
drugs: 12%
relations with Greek Cypriots: 10%

(somehow the above add up to more than 100%!!)


Perhaps the people taking the poll were allowed to mark more than one problem?

cypezokyli wrote:

in any case, is unemployment and inflation that bad ?
drugs also ?

i do not know if they were asked (because in such polls we are asked constantly) about the water problem! we almost run out in the south!


We don't care about water and environment cypez, we are not that kind of a community! We don't care about constantly polluting our underground water resources, we don't care about the garbage mountain in Dikmen surrounding Lefkosa and we certainly don't care about the uncountable holes we have made in the foundations of the northern mountain range! We generally prefer to care only about our selfish needs, which is generally equivalent of MONEY. We don't exactly know what to do with the money either and end up spending all of it in some extravagantly useless way.

No, inflation is not that bad anymore, it is around 10% annually. But unemployment is still a problem despite of the fact that more than the half of the entire public servants are entirely useless tax suckers who "knows somebody from UBP or DP or CTP or ORP." I think that the drugs issue is mostly related with the Turkish students who come for the "universities" in north. Whenever I hear someone who got caught with drugs, is a Turkish university student. But I have to admit that I don't know much about this issue.

Now finally, to the results of this particular poll by KADEM:

Firstly, the poll which results are published is done on the request of TDP by the private sector. Secondly, I generally do not like or trust the guy behind this, Muharrem Faiz, due to some comments I have heard him make at least once, which were entirely bullshit and one sided interpretation of the things he was trying to convince his audience.

The only results that were fed to us by the newspapers in north were as follows:

CTP % 36
UBP % 34
DP % 10.5
TDP % 10
ÖRP % 7
Other %2.5

http://www.kibrisgazetesi.com/index.php/cat/2/news/49927/PageName/Ic_Haberler

I also saw the amount of undecided ones first time in your post. This might be something that got printed, but has not made its way to the net somehow. What we understand from this poll can be listed by the following remarks:

1. CTP has lost a serious amount of votes as expected with its "services" to the Turkish Cypriot people in past recent years. The main or fundamental problem with CTP is that, it has failed to become the alternative of the UBP-Denktas regime it has promised to be. They have relations with Turkey in a very similar way only with different people. Their stance in the Cyprus problem seems to be different in words, but when we look at the actions, like in the case of Ledra Street, there does not seem to be a big gap between the past and today. Promised removal of the isolations failed big time and this has been admitted by Talat himself. Moreover, they stopped farmers (literally by using force!) to sell their products like potatoes, lemon and oranges thought the ports in Limassol saying that this will "damage the cause."

2. UBP, despite being lead by a lunatic who seem to have very serious psychological problems as a bonus, seem to be the biggest competition CTP will get in the next election. Considering the damage UBP has done to the Turkish Cypriot people in the past which we still can not get right even until today and years after UBP's departure, and the current stance of the leader Ertugruloglu, it is completely a mystery how come UBP can manage getting such a high percentage. But don't forget, we are not talking about a normal democracy here, we are (trying to) talking about the developments in a place where there is no freedom and no true independence, which explains to some level where such anomalies come from.

3. DP is falling, slowly but surely. ORP is sucking on the settler votes the DP was feeding itself on. As you can see, ORP, despite of the fact that it has been established only 1 year ago, has managed to gather 7% -not bad at all. And also consider that they have never been into a single election yet! I expect ORP to rise and DP to fall closer we get to an election with the OPEN support of Erdogan.

4. TDP having unified the votes of TKP and BDH has also managed to get the left votes who are sick of CTP. This seems to be the only "normal" Turkish Cypriot party who is progressing in some direction.

I hope to have given you some idea about our pathetic little lives bro! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank-you again moonskin.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some articles write about the re-formation of the platform "this country is ours".

they seem to be a non-homogenous group (ranging from liberals to left wingers)

and they seem to criticize talats policies on the cyppro.



my questions are:
is it a serious movement ?

and is it directly concerned with the politics of the cyppro, or is it sparked by other problems (economy , corruption etc) ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To put it as simply as possible, "Kıbrıs Barış Platformu (Cyprus Peace Platform)" is equal to "This Country is Ours Platform" minus CTP!

I am pretty sure that you are aware of the increasing tension between CTP and other left formations in the Turkish Cypriot politics. Things are getting even worse nowadays and the new platform is exactly a result of this division.

To be more precise about it, it includes the following parties and trade unions: From the unions, KTÖS + KTOEÖS (teachers' unions), Tıp-İş (doctors), Daü-Bir-Sen (emu university's workers union), KAB (Ali Erel's "Cyprus EU Organisation") and some other smaller unions. From the parties, TDP (Akinci's new party - tough he is not the leader anymore), BKP (Izcan's party), YKP (Durduran's Party).

BMPM still exists and the will for its continued existence was promised in the declaration announcing the new platform. To summarize, what we are currently seeing is the growing amount of differences between CTP + it's satellites and the other groups desiring a reunification in Cyprus.

Is it serious? Hell yes!

Quote:
and is it directly concerned with the politics of the cyppro, or is it sparked by other problems (economy , corruption etc) ?


Well, I think it is mostly about the politics followed in the Cyprus problem by CTP and the other groups. Of course, the fundamental problem is the Cyprus problem. Corruption and economical problems are mere extensions of the core problem and it doesn't look like they will go away unless we have a solution to the Cyprus problem. However, there is neither the guarantee that they will certainly go away if we find a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Bottomline: We are in deep shit and the sad part is that we are not even aware of it!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonskin wrote:
To put it as simply as possible, "Kıbrıs Barış Platformu (Cyprus Peace Platform)" is equal to "This Country is Ours Platform" minus CTP!


Is it because CTP is in government and at the time that Turkish Cypriots were expecting social change, CTP developed closer affilliation to Turkey basically Talat is only another puppet of the Turkish military and therefore against all the other 'left' political parties. It is clear that since he came into power he totally changed.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or it could be that we have been sending the wrong signals since 2004 and that even those in the Turkish community that are pro solution have been looking for alternative paths to follow. Perhaps we can get back on track after Sunday.
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