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depurple
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Grivas had one enemy!
The comunists/left wingers:
And most of theses did not want ENOSIS so that way it was double hit for Grivas to kill them!
Grivas believed what he believed was right for everyone in Cyprus: So did Makarious and so did Denktash:
They ALL thought what they thought was the best for Cyprus BUt we ALL know they where wrong!
My own opinion?
Grivas was a fanatical FOOL who was brainwashed into believing Cyprus would be a second CUBA!
Makarios was look only at Cyprus! Egomaniac! He was even looking at becoming President of Greece!
Clerides and Denktash where self centered money makers! They say $ and nothing else!
Not only did they make themselves rich BUT everyone who supported THEM!
cheers
PS Let see what Flag drape Clerides & Denktash coffin!
PS1: I will be shouting the Johnnie Walker Blue label on that day!
PS2: Bassilou? What do YOU expect from a qualified business accountant? |
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stavrizatz
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| haven't we (you, me, and most of the rest on this forum) admited already that the barbarians we have amongst us killed there own? |
I am not denying that, but the small minority that did those crimes that resulted the few murders/killings - total approx. 1000 from April 1955 to June 1974.
All we achieve by emphasising those incidences is to cultivate hatred and anger against the other community. |
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depurple
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that was 1000 too many: AND what theses 1000 people? ALL Traitors?
Also I wonder how many Turkish Cypriot the TMT killed?
Did you know hat Rabin last word where before he died!
He please tell me the bullet that hit me was from an ARAB and not a Jew!
Why did he say that?
Because it is so much more painful when your own KIND kill you!
I know for a fact that my Uncle Takis would of preferred to die from a Turk or even a POM that a bullet in the back from EOKA B!
See stavrizatz in politics there are no rules: SO?
1: Greece promised Cyprus ENOSIS but tell the Greek Cypriot that we had to pay Britain first for the Infrastructure:
2: Turkey promised the Turkish Cypriot their own country, Identity and NOT to be 2ND Class nobodies BUT what did THEY get?
3: The USA told Grivas and others to eliminate the Communists and what happened? Chroistofias might be president!
4: The Poms said let us keep control of Cyprus for another 2 years to monitor Nassar and the Suez and Makarios said NO! Have the Poms left Cyprus?
So there is an old English!
NOT!!!!!!!! "Divide and Rule"!!!!!!!!!
it is!
"Promise them everything!
Give them nothing!
And make sure you take Half of what they already have!"
Churchill was a master blaster of politics!
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repulsewarrior
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| haven't we (you, me, and most of the rest on this forum) admited already that the barbarians we have amongst us killed there own? |
I am not denying that, but the small minority that did those crimes that resulted the few murders/killings - total approx. 1000 from April 1955 to June 1974.
All we achieve by emphasising those incidences is to cultivate hatred and anger against the other community. |
This is the problem, the small minority, in every society whose means are dark. We cannot deny them, they must be exposed, better still if they stand up themselves to end the denial.
I never met Grivas, but I know his brother. Is this man a sordid killer? I do not know, but I know he suffers. Because he did not join EOKAB, in his circle, there were few who scorned him. Interestingly, most were like him, happier with the independant State they had won, ENOSIS was not as appealing.... yes, the supper table, long ago, somehow none of us were splattered by the ugly scene when one at the table accused him of being a coward...he said not a word.
I wish he could have spoken. I know he is a very gentle man...
but we are for tolerance, we remained silent, and, by ignoring these people, they have had their influence, from which much more suffering is the result.
Now...Cyprus cannot be "Greek", as it cannot be Turkish.
...beyond that, we must salvage our Humanity.
dp, it is true that Castro called Grivas the father of Guerilla Warfare, but as a Statesman many including Castro, admired Makarios, as well. As a personality, he may have been a meglomaniac, even among his peers, but still, he deserves our respect because his counter proposal is our Republic, opposed to splitting the island in half. |
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depurple
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RW great words:
What I dislike most about Cypriot politicians is their tunnel vision:
A couple of people on this forum said "How did we know Turkey would invade?"or how did we know that Greece would turn a blind eye? ect ect BUT that is politics my friend:YOU have to know this!!!!
If Grivas or Makarios, Denktash or whoever was a proper politician who cared for Cyprus and ALL its people this mess would of been avoided:
You have to be able to read the future!
I think that Cyprus may be doing this now with Turkey and its EU bid: Turkey is now the one that cant see pasts its nose!
Turkey is now seeing problems everywhere it turns:
Armenia, Cyprus, Kurds, EU ect:
Also after 9/11 the USA doesn't care as much about Turkey:
So IF Turkey plays the dumb Turkey thinking it will fall into a heap very soon!
Specially with the Military who DO NOT want to join the EU!
Because then they will HAVE to follow the rules!
At the moment they make there their own rules!
cheers and keep up the good work!
PS The Palestinians and the Lebanese have the same shit politicians as we do! |
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repulsewarrior
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Sooner or later there will be another Big Idea.
I hope this time it is something which all of us will agree is better than what we have now. Something that is sustainable. Something that the rest of the world can feel is rewarding after all these years of hope and encouragement. Something that others in a similar impasse can emulate toward resolving their Problem. |
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depurple
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RW dont fear something WILL happen: turkey WILL NOT enter the EU on a bluff or on a threat! And the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will not stay issolated: The Republic of Cyprus will not be able to cry to the world that we where the oNLY victums:
The Greek Cypriot refugees are NOT only taking Turkey to court BUT also the Republic of Cyprus!
It is only a matter of time when the Turkish Cypriot will take there own future in their hands: Thus will either happen when Turkey realises that it must think like a eurpeann and not like an ARAB and Maybe when Denktash bites the dust some Turkish Cypriot will say now lets do WHAT we think is right!
Most Turkish Cypriot know that it is wrong to sell Greek Cypriot land for peanuts to the Poms and others BUT still do it! Why?
they have Denktash backing them!
And DEnktash has the Turkish Militray backing him BUT again they bubble will busrt soon!
Turkey is also waiting for the USA rio gieit the green light with the PKK BUT the USA will not risk it favorite alie in Iraq for Turkey OR it would of done so many months ago!
So it is a very complex time for all in Turkey and Cypurs:
Also the EURO?
Will the EU let Turkey threaten a country using the EURO?
So grad a coffee sit back and enjoy politics at its best!
cheers!
Blair will be gone soon and so will Bush and so will Howard so we will see a new genraetion taking over!
It is a shame that Clerides, Denktas and Papa dont call it a day!
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repulsewarrior
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The Greek Cypriot refugees are NOT only taking Turkey to court BUT also the Republic of Cyprus!
It is only a matter of time when the Turkish Cypriot will take there own future in their hands: Thus will either happen when Turkey realises that it must think like a eurpeann and not like an ARAB and Maybe when Denktash bites the dust some Turkish Cypriot will say now lets do WHAT we think is right! |
...when we think like people, unlike thinking like we are Greek, Turkish, or Arab, first.
...beyond why, are we capable of forgiving each other with acts?
Bi-Zonal: enclaves in each of the two parts.
Bi-Communal: three governments; the Republic of Cyprus, an unbiased protecter of our Individual Rights, our State, and two National Assemblies who have respect for minority rights. |
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Makarios Grivas and TPap are the saint trinity of the lunatics that have destroyed Cyprus.
But i hate Makarios more becuase no one dares to say what he did to us becuse the god sent apes will try to make him eoka b supporter, or a traitor, or godless that dares to speak against the god sent bustard that destroyed us.
And i'm starting to sympathize TPap because he is just an old fart with many mental problems. |
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Sooner or later there will be another Big Idea.
I hope this time it is something which all of us will agree is better than what we have now. Something that is sustainable. Something that the rest of the world can feel is rewarding after all these years of hope and encouragement. Something that others in a similar impasse can emulate toward resolving their Problem. |
RW
I have to agree with you.
Turkey tells EU to shove it's membership, and perhaps take the PP if there aren't too many strings attached.
Two completely independant states are recognised on Cyprus, with the Southern one in the EU and the Northern one out of it.
Easy, clean and above all workable as it's basically formalising the current peaceful situation.
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repulsewarrior
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...when we think like people, unlike thinking like we are Greek, Turkish, or Arab, first.
...beyond why, are we capable of forgiving each other with acts?
Bi-Zonal: enclaves in each of the two parts.
Bi-Communal: three governments; the Republic of Cyprus, an unbiased protecter of our Individual Rights, our State, and two National Assemblies who have respect for minority rights. |
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| Now...Cyprus cannot be "Greek", as it cannot be Turkish. |
Welcome FT, but I cannot agree with you. Turkey wishes its security, this is understandable, but it has no right to occupy this land through an illegal act, nor does it have the right to ignore Humanity's desire for an independant State which belongs to none, but to the people who live on this island.
On the other hand, when it finally does recognise the existence of the Republic of Cyprus, it will have a Constitution that is sustainable, and reformed to support two (or three) National Assemblies, very much unlike what we have today. |
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FT you forgot one small thing?
Is what Turkey did in 1974 during the agreed UN ceasefire Legal according to the UN and the EU?
Don't ask the Turkish Cypriot or Turkey or you wont get a honest answer!
Also what do we do about the Greek Cypriot legal Land in the North?
Sweep it under the carpet: As time goes by there are many Greek Cypriot who are getting richer and getting into more power in many countries:
They will not sit back and say CALL it DAY! I wont!
You have to give the Greek Cypriot who lost their legally owned ancestral land a choice:
1: Get there land back and GO live there:
2: Get proper compensation and NOT go live there:
3: BOTH!
BY hoping it will go away IT wont!
Turkey was lucky with Smyrna, Constantinople, Kurdistan, Armenia and others BUT hey that was a while ago: Cyprus is in the media more now that it is in 74! And the good thing is that it pisses Turkey right off every time Cyprus is mentioned:
It is like talking about an ex girlfriend or wife!
cheers
PS I know many on this forum would love the Cyprus problem to just
disappear into thin air BUT that is politics my Friends! |
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Depurple except of the fact that you are a joke I have to say what I agree with you on the issue of EOKA and on the issue of Makarios and Grivas but this statement are far from ridiculous:
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100% and I agree 100% with you:
ALL These FOOLS are ones that MADE our lives so miserable: Can I rephrase what I said?
All these FOOLS have made 75% of Cypriots miserable and 25% so bloody rich!
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| The Annan Plan was just one big lie for corrupt fools! |
In my family more than 100 persons have all voted Yes and not only we are not rich but I can ensure what the word poor can safely point to our situation.
I can speak about my family but I can also speak about 100 more persons that have voted YES that they are in the same situation like we are.
So stop the bullshits you don have a fucking idea for what you are talking about.
As about the communist that you are leaving out of the responsibilities of what happen in Cyprus I have to say to you what they have made enough crimes to Greece and what they deserve what they take and what their existence in Cyprus not only did not help in anything but they harm us. First of all they supported Makarios, for a leftist this alone is a crime, second they was rejecting any solution offered from NATO, third they lead us to Russia to solve us the problem and made the problem a part of the cold war and Russia spit on them and on us by adopting Turkish positions in the 100%.
And after this crimes we had the repetition of the old catastrophic self’s when they vote for president a fanatic lunatic and when by this act they was pissing in the memory of their ex leader Ezekias Papaioanou who said what if we vote this lunatic he will lead us to partition (like he did).
Now they are trying to correct this crime against Cyprus but unfortunately is to late.
If you can’t accept the above fact you don’t have the right to accuse anyone else and in any case you don’t have a single right to insult the 25% of the people(and if you have like your criminal president has, I also have the right to say what the 75% are dickheads like you). |
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repulsewarrior
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| I think Grivas was always a Greek, although he came from Cyprus. I think Makarios became a Greek, although he was always a Cypriot, first. |
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