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Evagoras
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| They were Terrorists , that is not my view but the view of the CIA and MI6 but the only people with the stomache to deal with them were Turkey ! and the people of Cyprus should always remember that if Turkey had not intervened in this show of inhumane treatment of Turkish and Greek Cypriots when she did there would be many more people Grieving for their loved one's and it is one thing on my mind , If Turkey Had not Intervened when She did Who Else would have been Blamed for the Killing of the Innocent hard working Greek Cypriots who were Murder'd by the Eioka Thug's . Turkey did a big Favour to Greece and the Terrorists of Cyprus because she is the one that get's blamed for ALL the Death's of Every Greek Cypriot |
tell that to the 200.000 Greek Cypriot refugees and the relatives of 6.000 dead at the turkish invasion. |
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Evagoras
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| erolz all EOKA mempers were given medals for their action in 55-59 when EOKA was acting.noone was given medals for his actions in 63. no EOKA existed then. i have said that hundred times. do you really believe that tatal havent given medals to TMT mempers? |
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz all EOKA mempers were given medals for their action in 55-59 when EOKA was acting.noone was given medals for his actions in 63. no EOKA existed then. i have said that hundred times. do you really believe that tatal havent given medals to TMT mempers? |
I can assure you that no medals or anything of the like has been given to TMT members in the past, present or are there plans for the future. |
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Evagoras
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| erolz wrote: |
Once the mighty British had left Cyprus those SAME people still sought to illegaly impose a purely hellenic future on Cyprus, using illegal violence and force against a smaller community of Cypriots that opposed it.
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Erol, how dare you? They were democracy fighters!?! Noone told you that before? They were fighting for "democratic" wishes of the Cypriot nation at that time and of course along the way, they had to clear some of those nasty Turkish "rebels". I thought you would know that by now but I guess not.... |
what do you know about democrasy? your voting every 4 years and you are ruled by the army.and you thing that because in turkey a fashist minority impose their wishes in majority you have he right to do the same in cyprus .one turk equal the whole world who cares about the wishes of the gavurs isnt what your nation believes mete? |
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Evagoras
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz all EOKA mempers were given medals for their action in 55-59 when EOKA was acting.noone was given medals for his actions in 63. no EOKA existed then. i have said that hundred times. do you really believe that tatal havent given medals to TMT mempers? |
I can assure you that no medals or anything of the like has been given to TMT members in the past, present or are there plans for the future. |
brother go to wikipedia in the turkish page of TMT and see a nice medal with a wolf above and the word TMT. |
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erolz
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz all EOKA mempers were given medals for their action in 55-59 when EOKA was acting.noone was given medals for his actions in 63. no EOKA existed then. |
TP has spoken at various ceremonies for the like of Yirojardis (to whose widow TP is now married by the way) heaping praise upon them and not only for their actions up to the end of British rule but also for their actions after 60. So maybe not a medal but certainly praise and honour heaped upon an ex ekoa hero for his illegal and brutal oppression of Turkish Cypriot post British rule from the man who is currently your president and claims to represent all cypriots.
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| do you really believe that tatal havent given medals to TMT mempers? |
Yes that is what I believe unless I see any evidence to the contrary, which to date I have not seen. Why do you believe he must have given said medals ? Have you any evidence that he has done such or is it a case of you need no such evidence in order to know / believe it is true ?
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brother
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz all EOKA mempers were given medals for their action in 55-59 when EOKA was acting.noone was given medals for his actions in 63. no EOKA existed then. i have said that hundred times. do you really believe that tatal havent given medals to TMT mempers? |
I can assure you that no medals or anything of the like has been given to TMT members in the past, present or are there plans for the future. |
brother go to wikipedia in the turkish page of TMT and see a nice medal with a wolf above and the word TMT. |
Post the link buddy.  to back your arguement. |
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erolz
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| brother go to wikipedia in the turkish page of TMT and see a nice medal with a wolf above and the word TMT. |
That image is of a TMT badge or emblem or 'logo' as it is described on wikipedia. It is not a medal and certainly nothing to do with Talat. |
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Evagoras
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| erolz when papadopulos had praised jiorkatzis role in the sixties?i have not see any article that talat have given medals to TMT mempers but they are not considered freedom fighers for the Turkish Cypriot ? dektash was not a memper of TMT and he is proud for that? |
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| erolz when papadopulos had praised jiorkatzis role in the sixties? |
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main_old.php?id=7760&archive=1
Some extracts for you from this Sept 8 2002 article.
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| The ceremony, organised by the Polykarpos Yiorkadjis Foundation, was attended by no lesser person than el presidente and many distinguished members of our ruling elite, including the Governor of the Central Bank, the Justice Minister, the National Guard Chief and the Greek ambassador. |
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| THIS is a point raised every year by the communist party AKEL and its mouthpiece Haravghi, when the annual memorial service for Yiorkadjis is held and is attended by el presidente and most of his ministers. |
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This must have been because the party's presidential candidate Papa-Dop Tassos was also present at the ceremony. How could he not have been there, considering the whole event was organised and financed by his wife, the former Mrs Yiorkadjis?
The good news for the hundreds of god-children is that If Tassos is elected presidente, they can rest assured that the state will continue to honour their godfather, without even the Akelites complaining about it as they have been doing during the Clerides presidency. As for the high-powered posts currently occupied by 'Houdini's' former henchmen, such as generalissimos Ttooulis (the main speaker at the ceremony) and Kouros, Nik Kosher, and cop chief Andreas Angelides to mention a few, these might be passed on to the god-children under presidente Papa-Dop. |
though really you should read the WHOLE article. As far as I know and with access to only english langauge sources the annual honouring of Yiorkadjis by the state (Republic of Cyprus) from the president on down continues to this day ?
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i have not see any article that talat have given medals to TMT mempers .... |
Yet you seem to have little doubt that Talat goes round handing out medals to TMT members ?
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but they are not considered freedom fighers for the Turkish Cypriot ? |
Yes in general terms they are consider such by the majority of Turkish Cypriot, just as the likes of TP and Yiorkadjis and many others besides are considered heros in the Republic of Cyprus and not just for there actions pre 60 but post 60 as well.
However Turkish Cypriot like myself also accept there was the 'other side' to TMT as well and openly express these views as well.Here is one example of many I could show
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61898
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| There was no doubt that EOKA contined honourable men that genuinely beliveved they were doing what was best for their community and made considerable personal sacrafices and showed great personal bravery. Just as there were honourable men in TMT that were likewise. However it should also be recognised that there were also brutal vicious thugs in EOKA that saw violence as a valid means of acheving political goals (both before and AFTER cypriot independance) as well as for some a means of self aggrandisment and personal power exercised through fear, wiling to use 'national struggle' as a cover for the executing of those in their own community that they held grudges against or political differences with, as well as those that they considerd were in the way of their objectives. Men like Grivas, Sampson and Yorjardis (later to become the Republic of Cyprus interior minister!). These men who were glorious heros of the EOKA struggle of 55-60, went on using similar meathods, for similar reasons and with the same end goal against their percieved political (and sometimes personal) enemies, Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot alike, long after the British left Cyprus. We should not ignore this reality, just as we should not ignore the reality of those honourable men that were not like this within the EOKA ranks of the 55-60. I will hasten to add that just as there were honourable men in the ranks of TMT too, so too were there brutal vicious thugs as well. |
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dektash was not a memper of TMT and he is proud for that? |
Denktash was one of the founders of TMT. It is not clear how much he was involved in it's operation after it was founded. |
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Evagoras
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| erolz the article you give dont say that papadopulos praised giorkatzis role in sixties.since he married his woman it is logical that he was going to attend.since majority of Turkish Cypriot believe that TMT mempers were freedom fighters where is the weird that talat have given them medals ? today talat called the turkish invasion peace operation.i also said that some EOKA mempers were not noble fighters but have entered EOKA to fullfill personal ampitions.those kind of men exist everywere in all revolutions and organised groops.i also have said that i do not appresiate giorkatzis.dektash was one off the leaders of Turkish Cypriot community in the sixties and TMT was taking orders grom the leader of Turkish Cypriot community since it was paid from the turkish governent and dektash was appointed from the turkish goverment.in the 70 dektash was the only leader of the Turkish Cypriot community. |
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erolz
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz the article you give dont say that papadopulos praised giorkatzis role in sixties.since he married his woman it is logical that he was going to attend. |
The article says that this is an annual event in which the state (Republic of Cyprus) honours Yiorkadjis, from the president on down and this despite the fact that the same state found this man guilt of attempted assaination of the head of the state! The annual event purpose is to honour the man and if you turn up that is why you are there.
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since majority of Turkish Cypriot believe that TMT mempers were freedom fighters where is the weird that talat have given them medals ? |
Yes it would be wierd for Talat to go around in 2007 handing out medals to former TMT members. For one thing Talat, unlike TP re EOKA and subsequent groups was not himself a member of TMT, nor did he work in the administration along side those he is not giving medals to.
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today talat called the turkish invasion peace operation. |
Of course he did. As the representative of ONLY the Turkish Cypriot community do you expect him to call it an invasion ?
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i also have said that i do not appresiate giorkatzis. |
And what of Makarios who appointed and empowered him or TP who worked along side him and must have know of what he was doing as well as who co authored the akritas plan with him ? Do you 'appreciate' him ?
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dektash was one off the leaders of Turkish Cypriot community in the sixties and TMT was taking orders grom the leader of Turkish Cypriot community since it was paid from the turkish governent and dektash was appointed from the turkish goverment.in the 70 dektash was the only leader of the Turkish Cypriot community. |
The fact is it is far from clear what involvement Denktash had with TMT on a day to day operational basis. One can also use exactly the same arguments about TMT that you use with EOKA. That any 'excesses' were the result of a few individuals after personal ambition that exits in all such organisations (and outside the control of the leaders of the org like denktash) and that other than these TMT was a valiant resistance orgnaisation that nobly and bravely sought to protect the smaller weaker Turkish Cypriot community from the excesses of those like Yiorkadjis.
What is also a fact is that Talat was not either a leader of TMT or even one of its members. |
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Evagoras
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| erolz i dont appresiate makarios either.i support papadopulos policy today.talat could use the more neutral term intervention.i already have said that i believe EOKA had a noble cause and TMT not.offcourse some mempers of TMT must have acted without dektash approval. |
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erolz
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| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz i dont appresiate makarios either.i support papadopulos policy today.talat could use the more neutral term intervention. |
So should TP who claims to represent ALL cypriots also the more neutral term intervention rather than invasion ?
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i already have said that i believe EOKA had a noble cause and TMT not.. |
You do not think that those members of TMT that were seeking to protect Turkish Cypriot civilians from the attacks from armed thugs sent by the likes of Yirojardis ans Sampson were involved in a noble cause ? |
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Evagoras
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| erolz wrote: |
| Evagoras wrote: |
| erolz i dont appresiate makarios either.i support papadopulos policy today.talat could use the more neutral term intervention. |
So should TP who claims to represent ALL cypriots also the more neutral term intervention rather than invasion ?
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i already have said that i believe EOKA had a noble cause and TMT not.. |
You do not think that those members of TMT that were seeking to protect Turkish Cypriot civilians from the attacks from armed thugs sent by the likes of Yirojardis ans Sampson were involved in a noble cause ? |
do you believe it was not an invasion? is the term invasion more provocative than the term peace operation? papadopulos is the president of Republic of Cyprus but he represent the people that elected him.TMT cause was to create hate between the 2 communities to show that the 2 communities cant live together so that turkey can invade take 37% of cyprus ethnic clean 200.000 Greek Cypriot and bring partision.when they protected Turkish Cypriot? they were provokating and when Greek Cypriot were attaching TMT men were runnig like rubbits and innocent Turkish Cypriot were playing the consuegenses of their actions. |
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