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Dream_Merchant
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I hope you are reading all these articles I am posting.
Below you can find the above titled article from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6903021.stm
What I would like to comment on are the following:
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...women were only made equal to men in law here five years ago. |
So is this yet another one of those dire constitutional concessions that Turkey was forced to make in its path to the EU and got nothing in return?
Indeed Turkey has done so much, like making torture illegal, instituting equal gender rights, legalising homosexuality, abolishing the death penalty, reducing the role of the military in politics (well, at least on paper)... and has got absolutely nothing in return for all these pure Turkishness opposing measures it had to take to join the EU.
Damn, well at least.. they can still shoot people in broad daylight and have the army 'skin kurds alive'.
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A report for the World Economic Forum late last year showed Turkey still lags far behind Europe in practice - 105th out of 115 countries, in terms of gender equality. |
Is that after or before Azerbaidjan? Like.. is there relegation? Does Turkey go to second African or Asian division?
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| Life for women like Gulseren is gradually improving. |
Hell yeah. From 115th to 105th is a giant leap. And I bet 115th to 106th was due to Ataturk... almost a century ago.
Keep up the good work boys (and to a lesser extent girls)!
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Nigar Goksel, analyst with the European Stability Institute in Istanbul.
It has just produced a report on the role of women here.
"Economically and politically, women's participation is still terribly low. Twenty-eight percent of women of working age work and the majority are unpaid.
"They work the family fields and milk the family cow. That does not necessarily empower them." |
Or should I say, keep up the milking! Why don;t you feel empowered? |
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brother
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That is actually incorrect about 'womens right' and i will be writing to the BBC to highlight that women got equal rights in Turkey before France implemented it back in the early 1900's, being put into practice has taken much longer but the law was passed before every EU state in fact.  |
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Dream_Merchant
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| That is actually incorrect about 'womens right' and i will be writing to the BBC to highlight that women got equal rights in Turkey before France implemented it back in the early 1900's, being put into practice has taken much longer but the law was passed before every EU state in fact. |
I don't know if what you say is true, but if we assume it is, this is EXACTLY what most of the problems with Turkey are and what most Turks don't seem to understand.
On paper, in the vast majority of cases, Turkey is a really good state. Based on such concepts as republicanism, secularism, freedom of expression, equality of its citizens, protection of individual rights, the Turkey of the early 20th century, on paper, was decades ahead of anything at that time. And all this due to the genius vision of one man.
HOWEVER, and I repeat, however, all these are twisted and turned to fuel the aggressive militaristic regime that has always dominated Turkish politics and everyday life, from the time of the first Turkic tribes to the 21st century Turkish Republic, an EU candidate.
In this regard nothing has changed, so even though the letter of the law is there, the spirit of the law is still the same vicious and barbarous horde mentality as it used to be. And in a vicious circle, the populace support actively or passively the regime and the regime supports the populace, to the point that it is no longer a question of the state brainwashing the populace, but both brainwashing each other.
The difference between de jure and de facto, a conceptual difference that both Turks and Turkey have a serious problem comprehending. |
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Xenos 2Fan
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| brother wrote: |
| That is actually incorrect about 'womens right' and i will be writing to the BBC to highlight that women got equal rights in Turkey before France implemented it back in the early 1900's, being put into practice has taken much longer but the law was passed before every EU state in fact. |
I don't know if what you say is true, but if we assume it is, this is EXACTLY what most of the problems with Turkey are and what most Turks don't seem to understand.
On paper, in the vast majority of cases, Turkey is a really good state. Based on such concepts as republicanism, secularism, freedom of expression, equality of its citizens, protection of individual rights, the Turkey of the early 20th century, on paper, was decades ahead of anything at that time. And all this due to the genius vision of one man.
HOWEVER, and I repeat, however, all these are twisted and turned to fuel the aggressive militaristic regime that has always dominated Turkish politics and everyday life, from the time of the first Turkic tribes to the 21st century Turkish Republic, an EU candidate.
In this regard nothing has changed, so even though the letter of the law is there, the spirit of the law is still the same vicious and barbarous horde mentality as it used to be. And in a vicious circle, the populace support actively or passively the regime and the regime supports the populace, to the point that it is no longer a question of the state brainwashing the populace, but both brainwashing each other.
The difference between de jure and de facto, a conceptual difference that both Turks and Turkey have a serious problem comprehending. |
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| I don't know if what you say is true, |
Hmmmm.....I thought you were an expert on everything Turkish. Thank you! From now on I will read your posts with a rather large pinch of salt. It is excruciatingly obvious that the things you post on here is based on nothing but the education you received from your your immediate family as far as Turkish history and politics are concerned.  |
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Mete
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Hmmmm.....I thought you were an expert on everything Turkish.
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Hi Tufan, good to see you here again.
Funny that our Dream_Merchant friend was advising me just yesterday not to talk about "Greek Cypriot things" as he "kindly" reminded me that I don't understand them. But he somehow feels that he has the freedom to bash anything Turkish...Hypocrisy at its finest indeed. |
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Dream_Merchant
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I don't know if what you say is true, but if we assume it is... |
My entire post was based on the assumption that what brother says is true.
It is obvious your enraged mind can not process such a simple concept. But as they say, repetition is the mother of all science so I quote it above once again for your leisure.
And exactly where did I claim that I am an expert on everything Turkish?
I dare you, if you find such a post quote me. But I know you won't so do yourselves a favor and utilize whatever non-Turkified portion of your brain that you have to keep your pie holes on check when claiming falsehoods.
You guys are just a 1 liner pathetic insult hurling Turks. If you have an argument to raise, raise it. Otherwise your childish and baseless attempts in discrediting me are doomed to backfire towards you. |
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Mete
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You guys are just a 1 liner pathetic insult hurling Turks. If you have an argument to raise, raise it. Otherwise your childish and baseless attempts in discrediting me are doomed to backfire towards you.
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I'd raise an argument if I knew there was someone worthwhile in front of me ready for a sincere discussion. How can I take you seriously when you're so openly and shamelessly racist? |
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Xenos 2Fan
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| Mete wrote: |
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Hmmmm.....I thought you were an expert on everything Turkish.
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Hi Tufan, good to see you here again.
Funny that our Dream_Merchant friend was advising me just yesterday not to talk about "Greek Cypriot things" as he "kindly" reminded me that I don't understand them. But he somehow feels that he has the freedom to bash anything Turkish...Hypocrisy at its finest indeed. |
Thanks Mete! Good to be back.
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| Hypocrisy at its finest indeed. |
What else is new my friend? I see nothing has changed since my departure.
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Xenos 2Fan
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I don't know if what you say is true, but if we assume it is... |
My entire post was based on the assumption that what brother says is true.
It is obvious your enraged mind can not process such a simple concept. But as they say, repetition is the mother of all science so I quote it above once again for your leisure.
And exactly where did I claim that I am an expert on everything Turkish?
I dare you, if you find such a post quote me. But I know you won't so do yourselves a favor and utilize whatever non-Turkified portion of your brain that you have to keep your pie holes on check when claiming falsehoods.
You guys are just a 1 liner pathetic insult hurling Turks. If you have an argument to raise, raise it. Otherwise your childish and baseless attempts in discrediting me are doomed to backfire towards you. |
You missed the point as always. First let me say that if anyone has an enraged mind on these forums it you with your constant rantings.
I don't know how to explain to you what my point was as I do not know how you would process the information. When reading other people's posts do you use the Armenian or the Greek part of your brain? In either case, you are unable to process any other view other than the the ones you make up yourself because your brain has been wired differently from other humans. You simply are a bitter, miserable person that has no respect for anyone other than yourself, you harbor deep resentment and hate for Turks and to top it it off you try to come off as an expert on Turks and Turkey.
Back to the point. Since you know so much about Turkey and Turks, how did you not know that Turkey was one of the first countries on the planet that allowed women to vote?
Where are all these dead bodies strewn around Turkish streets you rant about?
The truth is that you hate us. Which is fine by me. Just have the intestinal fortitude to admit it rather than spitting your BS around these forums and giving the guests who visit here, the wrong impression or the your warped notion about Turks.
For your "Greek" side of your brain.
It is true that the Greeks were one of the first civilizations that began to experiment with democracy. For arguments sake let us say circa 1000BC. This gives you 3000 years to perfect it right? When did you perfect it? After 1974? If you do the math that gives us Turks another 2000 years to perfect our democracy. |
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100%cypriot
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| I don't remember a WOMAN ever becoming Prime Minister in Greece , Republic of SOUTH Cyprus , or Armenia !! and by the way do your history some credit and actually read without your poison'ed glasses on and you would actually see that the first WOMAN pilot was a Turkish Woman who Later Became the First Fighter Pilot in the world , Yes you are right the Turks have to show Aggression to all who Surround her and Turkish Cyprus because of people like you Dreammerchant so you don't get Expanshionist ideas |
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