Stop the History War, search for the truth

[repulsewarrior]

Maybe Turkish Ct scholars can write the Greek Ct version and vice versa. That could be an interesting start.

[repulsewarrior]

Maybe Turkish Ct scholars can write the Greek Ct version and vice versa. That could be an interesting start.

[zan]

How many truths can there be and what parts of these truths do you guys dispute.


http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/10184.htm

[repulsewarrior]

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[zan]

RW, I did not intend to make a full and indisputable claim with that article but I think some of the facts stick out pretty well. The dispute is over why they happened and so the blame game starts. Perhaps it would be useful if you were to point out the parts that you don't agree with and we can go from there although I am rather hoping that you won't because the blame game is long and tiring as well you know. I am more interested in moving forward but it is necessary to have some of the facts along with the point of view in order for us Turkish Cypriots to get anywhere. I vehemently believe that the world, or at least the part of the world that wants to listen or even cares, have been given the wrong impression about the events of the past and I see this period as our chance to put the record straight. The Greek Cypriot propaganda machine has been far superior to the Turkish Cypriot one and has buried us with its power. We have been lazy or at least badly educated to fight our corner in the past so I am hopeful that a more balanced "reality" can be achieved. As you asked "read all four and cut them down the middle" is all I am after.

[Dhavlos]

i can understand the arguement that the initial invasion would have been 'intervention', or at least, could be argued to be within the rights of the constitution to 'return' to the contistution, but the fact turkey then expanded, stayed and divided without even attempting to revert back to the consittutional order, frankly cannot be justified in the long term.imo

[repulsewarrior]

Thank-you Dr.

Notwithstanding the lunacyof the whole coup, there is no need to expect aplologies from Greek facists or the Turkish army, but either acts for the subjugation of us by others.

Pretext and argument do not obscure the facts.

zan, it can not be said clearer

[zan]

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[stavrizatz]

Just want to add something...

There is a little boy and her mum accidently steped on his foot. The little boy thought that her mum purposely steped on his foot because she doesn't love him. The story that boy made for what have happened carries on with the rest of his life. Every time his mum tells him off, doesn't listen to him, doesn't by him present he concludes that his mum doesn't love him. He is now in his teens and still he looks only for the evidence that support his theory ' HIS MUM DOES LOVE HIM', as simple as that.


In the history of Cyprus there is what really happened and there is the stories that we make of what really happened.

Greeks and Turks are often so desperate to make the other side wrong that all we do is to make up a story of what really happen and search for the evidence that support our view. We make our research starting from the conclusion and we back up our conclusion with the evidence that we select, and if there are no evidence... we make them up.

Why? Because we cannot be wrong, we always need to be right and look good.

[stavrizatz]

Just want to add something...

There is a little boy and his mum accidently stepped on his foot. The little boy thought that his mum purposely stepped on his foot because she doesn't love him. The story that boy made for what have happened carries on with the rest of his life. Every time his mum tells him off, doesn't listen to him, doesn't by him present he concludes that his mum doesn't love him. He is now in his teens and still he looks only for the evidence that support his theory ' HIS MUM DOES NOT LOVE HIM', as simple as that.


In the history of Cyprus there is what really happened and there is the stories that we make of what really happened. Greeks and Turks are often so desperate to make the other side wrong that all we do is to make up a story of what really happen and search for the evidence that support our view. We make our research starting from the conclusion and we back up our conclusion with the evidence that we select, and if there are no evidence... we make them up.

Why? Because we cannot be wrong, we always need to be right and look good.

[repulsewarrior]

Indeed!

Thank-you stav, it is a great comfort to me, to read from others, observations which make this Problem so clear.

In Cyprus, because the population is so small, and because we are in some ways isolated, being an island, I believe that the end of our impasse will provide a template , for progressive, inclusive, and multi-cultural societies, elsewhere in our sphere, where there is conflict, for these, and similar reasons, today. The History War, is not unique to Cypriots, nor is it as old as the anxiety that Greeks and Turks make for each other, but there are rays of hope, from natural disaster, each's compassion toward the other.

It is us, all of us, who must change, to stop the plundering, as though for one cause or the other.

Mutually exclusive, mono clonal, and in angst, that is our choice for thirty years, without leadership, but more importantly without courage, for this ideal, The Republic of Cyprus, a State where Cypriots have three governments for their representation, being Bi-Communal, and now, Bi-Zonal; having many parts.

This argument Grecophone vs. Turcophone is facile. It is not that simple, and the future holds for us a population whose demographic will change substantially, with our entry into the EU, and the change that we all hope for in Africa, and the Middle East. Cyprus is and island. I hope that our love for its land can unify us, so that as stewards, it prospers. With this potential for growth, we must embrace a logic where the ancient beauty is enjoyed, and that we are very lucky to have them yet. In terms of social-economics, we need free association, free expression and free movement.

And we owe a whole lot more to Humanity, than two parts divided in two.

[repulsewarrior]

Indeed!

Thank-you stav, it is a great comfort to me, to read from others, observations which make this Problem so clear.

In Cyprus, because the population is so small, and because we are in some ways isolated, being an island, I believe that the end of our impasse will provide a template , for progressive, inclusive, and multi-cultural societies, elsewhere in our sphere, where there is conflict, for these, and similar reasons, today. The History War, is not unique to Cypriots, nor is it as old as the anxiety that Greeks and Turks make for each other, but there are rays of hope, from natural disaster, each's compassion toward the other.

It is us, all of us, who must change, to stop the plundering, as though for one cause or the other.

Mutually exclusive, mono clonal, and in angst, that is our choice for thirty years, without leadership, but more importantly without courage, for this ideal, The Republic of Cyprus, a State where Cypriots have three governments for their representation, being Bi-Communal, and now, Bi-Zonal; having many parts.

This argument Grecophone vs. Turcophone is facile. It is not that simple, and the future holds for us a population whose demographic will change substantially, with our entry into the EU, and the change that we all hope for in Africa, and the Middle East. Cyprus is and island. I hope that our love for its land can unify us, so that as stewards, it prospers. With this potential for growth, we must embrace a logic where the ancient beauty is enjoyed, and that we are very lucky to have them yet. In terms of social-economics, we need free association, free expression and free movement.

And we owe a whole lot more to Humanity, than two parts divided in two.

[stavrizatz]

Thanks RW and definately the history war is not unique to Cyprus it is everywhere were there are humans.

When history war stops there will be an opportunity for a history debate. We accept Cyprus the way it is and the way it is not and when we do that we will be able to transform it.

[100%cypriot]