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100%cypriot
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| i have seen a design of the new cypriot euro coin which has a cross symbol , i don.t know why religion should have been used , does this mean that the euro in cyprus is a part of the greek cypriots only ? |
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Dhavlos
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its not a 'cross' as in a christian cross, it is some kind of neolithic/ancient figurine. ...not Greek Cypriot, not Turkish Cypriot.
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On the €1 and €2 coins, the national side will depict the idol from Pomos, a cross-shaped idol from the chalcolithic period (3000 B.C.) which is a characteristic example of Cypriot prehistoric art. |
dont worry re, its not a conspiracy  lol |
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pg
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| It actually proves that Cypriots were Christian 5,000 years ago... |
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100%cypriot
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And your point is Pg ?
We are in the 21'st century now , |
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repulsewarrior
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| Cypriots are the inventors Christianity; Christ rode on a Cypriot donkey when Mary was on her way to Bethlehem, therefore there was a plan, ...obviously, it took 3 thousand years: this is Cyprus we're talking about. |
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100%cypriot
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| Cypriots are the inventors Christianity; Christ rode on a Cypriot donkey when Mary was on her way to Bethlehem, therefore there was a plan, ...obviously, it took 3 thousand years: this is Cyprus we're talking about. |
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Dhavlos
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
And your point is Pg ?
We are in the 21'st century now , |
i dont think you got the sarcasm 100% lol |
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Dream_Merchant
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I dont think he got anything. Period.
Hell yeah, its a christian cross and thats Jesus. Suffer and wither. What can I say?
You claim to be 100%Cypriot, go learn some Cypriot ancient history. You know, the time before TURKS came in pillaging hordes from the Turan steppes. You know.. Turks weren't always in Cyprus. Or does that shake the very foundations of your origin of the species, that everyone is a Turk and anyone saying otherwise should be killed (as practiced in Turkey)? |
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brother
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I dont think he got anything. Period.
Hell yeah, its a christian cross and thats Jesus. Suffer and wither. What can I say?
You claim to be 100%Cypriot, go learn some Cypriot ancient history. You know, the time before TURKS came in pillaging hordes from the Turan steppes. You know.. Turks weren't always in Cyprus. Or does that shake the very foundations of your origin of the species, that everyone is a Turk and anyone saying otherwise should be killed (as practiced in Turkey)? |
DM why are you spitting venom in almost every post you are making lately???
It seems you are looking for every opportunity to demonise Turkey and Turks and at the same time looking down on people and looking for an arguement, for a person who is highly educated this confrontational approach does seem very self defeating and does not help to make constructive discussion. |
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Dream_Merchant
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| DM why are you spitting venom in almost every post you are making lately??? |
I am not spitting venom. I am being sarcastic and laconic. Perhaps, sometimes sardonic, but surely not the way you put it. And if it appears as if I am the only one, it is merely because the forum is populated in its majority by people that are proponents of ideologies that have little ground on the reality of our times, as expressed in the arguments I often raise, and are based on some vague and undefined wish for the world to assume to be a parochial neighborhood where issues such as these seem as otherworldly and trivial as computers to a caveman, and where it is better to pursue ignorance over understanding of knowledge.
Really, with the fact that the number of vocal members are either nationalistic Turks under the self-convinced facade of a Cypriot, as the above poster, or belong to the community detailed in my above paragraph, it is no wonder that it appears as if I am spitting venom.
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| It seems you are looking for every opportunity to demonise Turkey and Turks and at the same time looking down on people and looking for an arguement |
I am not demonizing Turkey and Turks, but indeed it would appear that Turks and Turkey are their own Mephistopheles.
I am outlining the severe problems and the deep rooted issues that deal with Turkey and Turks that people on these forums seem to ignore under the veneer of a spirit of cooperation.
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for a person who is highly educated this confrontational approach does seem very self defeating and does not help to make constructive discussion. |
No, I disagree with you. This confrontational approach is exactly what this forum needs if we are to bring these serious issues to head. And I am not approaching you in a friendly manner, for you are not my friends. You are the supporters of a chain of events orchestrated by similar minded individuals and upholders of an ideology that are antithetical to both international justice as well as my own sense of right and wrong.
I am equally not interested in much of a constructive discussion, since these issues must be settled before any constructive work can begin, and that implies first destroying those anti-constructive attributes that give birth to such issues.
And what give birth to such issues is Turkey and by extension Turks in their passive or active support of the Turkish regime. Both Turks and Turkey must first need to fundamentally and irrecoverably alter the core of their existence to the better if I am going to start discussing constructive issues. To be honest with you, in such a case, the continuity of the Turkish state would be only marginally possible, so I can appreciate the vehement resistance.
Until then, I will highlight and bring to the surface anything I deem is as far as Turks and Turkey is concerned, and as it is evident, these issues are many and deep rooted, and neither Turks nor Turkey have the will or the genuine desire to do something about it. Instead, mostly they revel in it, glorify it and enshrine it in what is considered sacred 'Turkishness'. |
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brother
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| DM why are you spitting venom in almost every post you are making lately??? |
I am not spitting venom. I am being sarcastic and laconic. Perhaps, sometimes sardonic, but surely not the way you put it. And if it appears as if I am the only one, it is merely because the forum is populated in its majority by people that are proponents of ideologies that have little ground on the reality of our times, as expressed in the arguments I often raise, and are based on some vague and undefined wish for the world to assume to be a parochial neighborhood where issues such as these seem as otherworldly and trivial as computers to a caveman, and where it is better to pursue ignorance over understanding of knowledge.
Really, with the fact that the number of vocal members are either nationalistic Turks under the self-convinced facade of a Cypriot, as the above poster, or belong to the community detailed in my above paragraph, it is no wonder that it appears as if I am spitting venom.
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| It seems you are looking for every opportunity to demonise Turkey and Turks and at the same time looking down on people and looking for an arguement |
I am not demonizing Turkey and Turks, but indeed it would appear that Turks and Turkey are their own Mephistopheles.
I am outlining the severe problems and the deep rooted issues that deal with Turkey and Turks that people on these forums seem to ignore under the veneer of a spirit of cooperation.
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for a person who is highly educated this confrontational approach does seem very self defeating and does not help to make constructive discussion. |
No, I disagree with you. This confrontational approach is exactly what this forum needs if we are to bring these serious issues to head. And I am not approaching you in a friendly manner, for you are not my friends. You are the supporters of a chain of events orchestrated by similar minded individuals and upholders of an ideology that are antithetical to both international justice as well as my own sense of right and wrong.
I am equally not interested in much of a constructive discussion, since these issues must be settled before any constructive work can begin, and that implies first destroying those anti-constructive attributes that give birth to such issues.
And what give birth to such issues is Turkey and by extension Turks in their passive or active support of the Turkish regime. Both Turks and Turkey must first need to fundamentally and irrecoverably alter the core of their existence to the better if I am going to start discussing constructive issues. To be honest with you, in such a case, the continuity of the Turkish state would be only marginally possible, so I can appreciate the vehement resistance.
Until then, I will highlight and bring to the surface anything I deem is as far as Turks and Turkey is concerned, and as it is evident, these issues are many and deep rooted, and neither Turks nor Turkey have the will or the genuine desire to do something about it. Instead, mostly they revel in it, glorify it and enshrine it in what is considered sacred 'Turkishness'. |
Obviousley the many years of education have not helped you to grow as a person but has assisted in turning you into an arrogant and agressive person that spits venom and who looks down his nose at others and feels that what you know is best and everyone else knows nothing.
While we may not be your friends with your type of attitude i could comfortably say that the many people would not want an arrogant and agressive person like you that spits venom for a friend either.
I am quite dissapointed in the response you have given above but if we are to talk about the turkish wrongs then maybe we should start talking about the greek wrongs also to balance it or does your intellect not go that far or does not serve your purpose of demonising and only extends to the turks which you obviousley harbour a deep hate and vendetta that is typical of many Greek Cypriot youth due to the biased and racist teachings of your schools, church and parents. |
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Dream_Merchant
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Obviousley the many years of education have not helped you to grow as a person but has assisted in turning you into an arrogant and agressive person that spits venom and who looks down his nose at others and feels that what you know is best and everyone else knows nothing.
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I am not saying you don't know anything. I am saying you consciously and subconsciously choose ignorance over the understanding of knowledge. You deny impulsively and willingly the truth in favor of the fabrications that provide a respite from a suppressed guilt over crimes committed before and during your times.
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| While we may not be your friends with your type of attitude i could comfortably say that the many people would not want an arrogant and agressive person like you that spits venom for a friend either. |
As I said, I am not out there to be friends with people that actively or passively support a regime and an ideology that is antithetical to mine. I am sure you can appreciate that. In the best case I can treat you as misguided fanatics, in the worst case as genocidal racists.
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| I am quite dissapointed in the response you have given above but if we are to talk about the turkish wrongs then maybe we should start talking about the greek wrongs also to balance it or does your intellect not go that far... |
I do not intend to placate you with my responses, when called for I give my opinion in its open and honest form without resorting to appeasement policies.
The wrongs that the turks have done can not be balanced by anything that the greek side has done. The magnitude of the wrongs that the turkish side has inflicted on this country vastly outweighs the wrongs that the greek side has, so much so as to trivialise them (unfortunately, but yes). The only way to balance the wrongs that the turks have plagued upon this land would be by having the turks admit to those wrongs, compensate those wronged and earnest work in the direction of rectifying the wrongs of the past and the present. But you are not willing, nor do you want to. It is really as simple as that. Instead you want to equate the tiny with the huge, and demand a compromise based on the vindication of the wrongs that you have caused on this land. And that is unacceptable. Under any circumstance whatsoever where and are your actions justifiable or equatable.
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| or does not serve your purpose of demonising and only extends to the turks which you obviousley harbour a deep hate and vendetta that is typical of many Greek Cypriot youth due to the biased and racist teachings of your schools, church and parents. |
I do not hate Turks or Turkey, brother. Hate is a feeling that is reserved for those that can not express themselves with reason. Some people may hate you and with just cause, but I am not one of them. I simply look at Turks as what they are, an aggressive barbarous people that have not matured over the course of history, that rely on their ruthless and racist medieval strategies of governance and society due to the grace of powers greater than them, and that continue to do so since throughout history these methods have proven to be brutally effective. I see Turkey as a country with too many skeletons, metaphorically and literally, in its closet, that has created self defensive mechanisms for itself to deal with the implosive nature of these problems, struggling to exist in a state that is marginally balanced, applying great force from both sides to keep itself in an unstable equilibrium with the greatest fear not from outside but from inside.
A country ruled by fear of what it is and has become, governed by terror to suppress its own citizens minds and a foreign policy of continuous military and social aggression to divert attention from internal problems outwards, using violence and in the past islamism and now nationalism as an addictive narcotic to numb the mind.
Racist, paranoid, aggressive and barbarous.
This is not what I have been blindly taught to adhere to in some school or church or even at home, this is what I have come to conclude by my own observations through the lens of experience and the anvil of cognitive reasoning based on learned facts and evidence. |
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brother
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I am not saying you don't know anything. I am saying you consciously and subconsciously choose ignorance over the understanding of knowledge. You deny impulsively and willingly the truth in favor of the fabrications that provide a respite from a suppressed guilt over crimes committed before and during your times.
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I feel that you are as much a victim of that as anybody else, look at your signature after every post, you glorify the words of a man that is part of the cyprus problem where through EOKA they used arms and terror to further their desires of ENOSIS and in the course of it murdered many cypriots.
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As I said, I am not out there to be friends with people that actively or passively support a regime and an ideology that is antithetical to mine. I am sure you can appreciate that. In the best case I can treat you as misguided fanatics, in the worst case as genocidal racists.
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They call that 'intolerance' to anothers free will and ideology that they are entitled too which is something you clearly admit too, and based on that you feel that you can label them 'genocidal racists' when in fact your the one who can not tolerate another persons opposing view, in short does this intolerance of yours inadvertantly make you the racist sub-conciousley that has failed to pick up on it.
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I do not intend to placate you with my responses, when called for I give my opinion in its open and honest form without resorting to appeasement policies.
The wrongs that the turks have done can not be balanced by anything that the greek side has done. The magnitude of the wrongs that the turkish side has inflicted on this country vastly outweighs the wrongs that the greek side has, so much so as to trivialise them (unfortunately, but yes). The only way to balance the wrongs that the turks have plagued upon this land would be by having the turks admit to those wrongs, compensate those wronged and earnest work in the direction of rectifying the wrongs of the past and the present. But you are not willing, nor do you want to. It is really as simple as that. Instead you want to equate the tiny with the huge, and demand a compromise based on the vindication of the wrongs that you have caused on this land. And that is unacceptable. Under any circumstance whatsoever where and are your actions justifiable or equatable.
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Yet again you feel that the greater wrong is done by turks as such that absolves the greeks, unfortunately a wrong is a wrong however small or large, when it comes to cyprus the initial problems started with the Greek Cypriot desire and forceful want of ENOSIS through the terror and murders of EOKA hence what springs to mind as an accurate snyopsis is 'every action has a reaction' and Turkeys arrival on the shores of cyprus was the reaction of the Greek inspired junta that could have been prevented if the racists of EOKA had taken heed of Turkeys warnings for no less than 11 years but still chose to create the conditions that eventually resulted in the partition of the island.
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I do not hate Turks or Turkey, brother. Hate is a feeling that is reserved for those that can not express themselves with reason. Some people may hate you and with just cause, but I am not one of them. I simply look at Turks as what they are, an aggressive barbarous people that have not matured over the course of history, that rely on their ruthless and racist medieval strategies of governance and society due to the grace of powers greater than them, and that continue to do so since throughout history these methods have proven to be brutally effective. I see Turkey as a country with too many skeletons, metaphorically and literally, in its closet, that has created self defensive mechanisms for itself to deal with the implosive nature of these problems, struggling to exist in a state that is marginally balanced, applying great force from both sides to keep itself in an unstable equilibrium with the greatest fear not from outside but from inside.
A country ruled by fear of what it is and has become, governed by terror to suppress its own citizens minds and a foreign policy of continuous military and social aggression to divert attention from internal problems outwards,
Racist, paranoid, aggressive and barbarous.
This is not what I have been blindly taught to adhere to in some school or church or even at home, this is what I have come to conclude by my own observations through the lens of experience and the anvil of cognitive reasoning based on learned facts and evidence |
Unfortuantely just by your labeling of its entire people as "an aggressive barbarous people that have not matured over the course of history" proves you 'hate' the people and country even though you are a person that can clearly express yourself and you do with a second outburst of hate with "Racist, paranoid, aggressive and barbarous" and educated person knows that taring an entire race is usually done by racists with intolerance for a specific people.
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| using violence and in the past islamism and now nationalism as an addictive narcotic to numb the mind. |
Then you say the above while yet again your signature is a complete contradiction to what you say, as Tpap and his EOKA used violence and terror in the past and is using Greek nationalism in the present as his own narcotic to numb the mind on his own people with his recent "we are the defenders of hellenism in cyprus" and of course your signature which of course clearly shows that your mind has been numbed by nationalism in its finest form.
You DM are unfortunately a hypocritical racist that is clearly in denial and maybe unaware that you are even doing it but your above comments do prove that you are. doing what you say you don't and are not. |
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brother
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Dream_Merchant
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I don't understand whats wrong with my signature. You keep picking on the man, but you fail to understand that I did not pick those words because of the man. Anyone could have said them. The reason I have chosen them is because they highlight my own convictions, that Turkey can not be trusted and that we must do our outmost to safeguard whatever is left of the Republic of Cyprus and everything it stands for.
You call me racist, but you do not realize what is a racist. A racist is someone that for no good reason discriminates against a particular race or considers itself superior to all others. I have repeatedly outlined several good reasons why I consider Turks and Turkey with the negative qualities that I referred in my post above.
And allow me a small caveat, which will prove without the shadow of a doubt that I do not have racist tendencies. I do not judge people on their race or nationality, but on their personal convictions. Hence I approach every Individual as such, regardless of their race or cultural background. In this manner I have befriended many people from a vast spectrum of cultures and upbringings who espouse a wide range of views and opinions, but none that contradict with the basic understanding of ethics. And as such I do not judge an individual because he is a Turk. On the contrary to me it does not matter if you are a Turk, if you are British, or if you are Greek, or whatever nationality you may be. It only matter what you believe in and what you do.
Having said that however, I do consider that most Turks, and that includes every single last one of you without exception that I have met in this specific forum, belong to either of the two groups I highlighted in my previous post. Hence you become the target of the scorn and indignation towards the regime and ideology you invariably support.
You may consider this as an 'intolerance to another's free will', but I assure you it is nothing like of that nature. For it is not free will that I oppose, but the unrestricted freedom by which you wish to vindicate and glorify the crimes of Turkey and the unrestricted freedom by which you wish to warp truth to perpetuate the reign of terror that you have imposed and continue to do so on others. And yes, one may perceive it as a form of intolerance, for it is an intolerance, an intolerance towards harbingers of lies, glorifiers of murderers, rapists and other criminals and pursuers of injustice. |
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