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Get Real!
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| Dream_Merchant wrote: |
| Vote for the President! Vote for Tassos Papadopoulos! |
At the great risk that any other candidate may foolishly hand over Cyprus on a plate to Turkey, Tassos Papadopoulos is the only man for this delicate job. I'm right with you Dream_Merchant!  |
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Bananiot
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Papadopoulos has already done wonders for Turkey. For a start he got nothing from Turkey while giving the green light for accession negotiations of Turkey with the EU to commence. Then, his policies have twainised the north and unthinkable things that we and the international community would never have accepted before 2004 have materialised (compensation committee etc) and we find ourselves now on the verge of observing direct trade with the north becoming a (get) real possibility. The signs are ominous, the German Parliament, Merkel, the Foreign Office of this important country, are relentlessly putting pressure on us ... because of Papadopoulos!
Those who believe DIKO, EDEK and Evroko are moderate centrist parties (regarding the cyprob) raise your arm. |
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Bananiot
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DM do not brag about the Maastrich Treaty, please. A real communist party would spit in its face. In fact the French and the Germans (the governments, not the communists) have already done so but they are the big fish of the club.
Under this Treaty and the Stability Pack, the Commission and the Central Bank have laid down that no government in the EU can borrow or spend more than 3% of its national income.
Let me ask you DM. How is the Cyprus government, under any President, going to expand its public service without infringing on these rules? We hear a lot about offsetting measures but these are simply said for the appeasement of the general public. Likewise with all the promises which hold no water, eventually, because we are bound by agreements that cannot be violated, unless we choose to leave ship, which is quite easy (yet). The difficulty was to get on board. |
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| Bananiot wrote: |
DM do not brag about the Maastrich Treaty, please. A real communist party would spit in its face. In fact the French and the Germans (the governments, not the communists) have already done so but they are the big fish of the club.
Under this Treaty and the Stability Pack, the Commission and the Central Bank have laid down that no government in the EU can borrow or spend more than 3% of its national income.
Let me ask you DM. How is the Cyprus government, under any President, going to expand its public service without infringing on these rules? We hear a lot about offsetting measures but these are simply said for the appeasement of the general public. Likewise with all the promises which hold no water, eventually, because we are bound by agreements that cannot be violated, unless we choose to leave ship, which is quite easy (yet). The difficulty was to get on board. |
Bananiot, could you point me exactly where I bragged about the Maastricht treaty? On the contrary what I said was that this was imposed on us from the very Accession Treaty itself. Cyprus was obliged to join the Euro, by 2010 the latest, otherwise it would face massive fines etc. On the face of this reality Akel and PEO agreed to keep a low profile if the offsetting measure were included in the Manifesto and were implemented. Tassos and our genius Minister of Finance chose to ignore these and hence the freaction of Akel than in many cases called the socioeconomic policies of the government neoliberal.
Yes the Maastricht treaty sets strict fiscal rules, however, these mainly relate to inflation, government dept and budget balances. Don't be fooled by what Tassos and Sarris say. There are things that the EU cannot control such as taxation which is decided solely by the national governments. Let me give you an example, supposedly the government introduce anothe taxation band where salaries above say 32,000 are taxed by 40% (as in most countries) and not 30% as they currently are. These would generate more money which would in turn be used for implementing a number of social measures. I know that whenever something is denied from the people the first excuse is that the EU would not allow it - this is way way far from truth and I am afraid to say that although I consider you a smart guy you have easily fallen victim of the same crap that our neoliberal geniuses feed the people. |
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100%cypriot
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| Dream_Merchant wrote: |
Vote for the President! Vote for Tassos Papadopoulos! |
WHO ? what the Terrorist , you make me laugh , he is the one that does not want any solution !!!!!!!  |
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100%cypriot
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| Dream_Merchant wrote: |
| Vote for the President! Vote for Tassos Papadopoulos! |
At the great risk that any other candidate may foolishly hand over Cyprus on a plate to Turkey, Tassos Papadopoulos is the only man for this delicate job. I'm right with you Dream_Merchant! |
I see the deluded young man has spoken again !!!!
Wake up !! Tassos will only get Cyprus into more trouble if he stay's , the internationall community is getting fed up with him and his stance on the cyprob !! |
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Get Real!
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
| Dream_Merchant wrote: |
| Vote for the President! Vote for Tassos Papadopoulos! |
At the great risk that any other candidate may foolishly hand over Cyprus on a plate to Turkey, Tassos Papadopoulos is the only man for this delicate job. I'm right with you Dream_Merchant! |
I see the deluded young man has spoken again !!!! |
Thanks for the compliment but I am 42...
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| Wake up !! Tassos will only get Cyprus into more trouble if he stay's , the internationall community is getting fed up with him and his stance on the cyprob !! |
TP has the support of the masses here in Cyprus and that’s what counts in a democracy and not what some elements of the "international community" may think and/or want.
The most important thing for TP has always been the loyal citizens of the Republic of Cyprus as it should be. You do not toss a constitution that supports 800,000 people in the air just because Turkey or any other country says so and you do not jeopardize the masses for the sake of a minority whose allegiance is seriously in question.
TP is the most responsible president the Republic of Cyprus has ever had and I sincerely hope that one day your community will also have a leader with similar attributes.
Regards, GR. |
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Mete
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TP is the most responsible president the Republic of Cyprus has ever had and I sincerely hope that one day your community will also have a leader with similar attributes.
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We already had one of those "responsible" presidents, i.e. Denktash for a while, so thanks for the offer but we've been there, done that. |
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Bananiot
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Papadopoulos tried to claim the 76% of the "no" vote were his supporters. Akel has just demonstrated that at least 30% does not belong to him. Possibly another 20% belongs to Disi. Thus, Papadopoulos and GR it seems, may be in for a shock, sooner than later. The acid test is fast approaching and we will soon know what the masses want. Already, the polls give him only 31% and that is before Christofias "cemented" his candidacy.
This loyal person, GR, that you claim Papadopoulos is to the Republic of Cyprus, singled out two Turkish villages that were to disappear from the map of Cyprus in 1964, "had the Turkish fleet moved to within 10 miles of Cyprus water". The sooner he goes the better! |
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| This loyal person, GR, that you claim Papadopoulos is to the Republic of Cyprus, singled out two Turkish villages that were to disappear from the map of Cyprus in 1964, "had the Turkish fleet moved to within 10 miles of Cyprus water". The sooner he goes the better! |
I like the way you make your assumptions Bananiot. At the end of the day, actions speak louder than words. He may have threatened many things in the past but did he actually do any of them?
I think he probably accepts just as anybody that a unitary state in Cyprus is not going to happen. What I disagree with is the way he has handled the situation since the referendum on the AP. He has not taken advantage of our EU membership. I think he is only now realising this and he is now making initiatives which he should have done a long time ago. |
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Othellos
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| Get Real! wrote: |
TP is the most responsible president the Republic of Cyprus has ever had and I sincerely hope that one day your community will also have a leader with similar attributes.
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Absolutely! Labeling everyone who disagrees with him and his Cyprus problem policy (what policy?) "traitors", "spies" etc is just one example of how much of a "responsible" President Tassos Papadopoulos has been. |
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Bananiot
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Mikkie, do you think the inhabitats of these villages will believe that he has honest intentions? By the way, do you know how he proposed going about annihilating the villages (and the people living in them)? By filling fire engines with petrol and spraying their houses! If you think he had second thought on this and this is what saved the day, you do not know the man.
Papadopoulos could not and cannot take advantage of the EU. Only the other day, Merkel said it was a mistake to let in Cyprus. Small fish cannot act sharks, mikkie. Papadopoulos with all these years on his shoulders, has not yet learned this simple fact. He is still a dangerous person for Cyprus. If he is reelected it will be the end of Cyprus.
Let me give you one example of the way this man thinks. Two weeks ago Kasoulides called upon the President to go for direct talks with Talat. On Papadopoulos's instructions, the Foreign Secretary, Lilikas, called Kasoulides a fool and naive, for making this suggestion. What to you think has changed in the space of two weeks? Can this man ever be taken seriously by anyone? |
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-mikkie2-
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| By the way, do you know how he proposed going about annihilating the villages (and the people living in them)? By filling fire engines with petrol and spraying their houses! |
Err, actions speak louder than words! Unless you can read Papadopoulos' mind. The fact is, this did not happen.
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| Papadopoulos could not and cannot take advantage of the EU. |
Well, on this I agree because he has been relying too much on legal aspects of the problem and ignoring the political aspects. Typical lawyer!
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| Let me give you one example of the way this man thinks. Two weeks ago Kasoulides called upon the President to go for direct talks with Talat. On Papadopoulos's instructions, the Foreign Secretary, Lilikas, called Kasoulides a fool and naive, for making this suggestion. What to you think has changed in the space of two weeks? Can this man ever be taken seriously by anyone? |
Well, all I can say is that Talat has been pushing for talks with no real agenda. And the way I understand it is that Papadopoulos didn't want to engage in talks with no real agenda. Papadopoulos wants to move the July 8th process so I suppose he has a clear reason to see Talat and he has made suggestions as to how to go about it. Now, I think he should have made this move alot sooner so as to put pressure on the Turkish side.
In any case, the Turks have found their excuse to not move the process on by virtue of a cancelled football match! So, if you think Talat is acting in any way better then think again. Can Talat equally be taken serioulsy by anyone? I don't think Talat has enamoured himself too much in Europe either. The politicians on both sides are a bunch of incompetent fools!
At the end of the day, both idiots are all talk and no action. |
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Mete
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Well, all I can say is that Talat has been pushing for talks with no real agenda. And the way I understand it is that Papadopoulos didn't want to engage in talks with no real agenda.
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Stop going around the bush, mikkie2. Talat has been asking for face to face talks for months now and Papadopoulos refused it a number of times because 1- he claimed that there has to be preparations for serious talks, 2- he thought that talking to Talat was waste of time, instead he wanted to negotiate with Turkey directly.
Now, tell me, what has changed recently that made Papadopoulos want to meet Talat? Were there serious preparations for talks that I'm not aware of? Did Turkey suddenly give unlimited power to Talat that I don't know about?
No, none of these happened. The only reason is that there are upcoming elections and Papadopoulos doesn't want to look like he's responsible of the current hopeless situation in Cyprus. Instead, he wants to meet with Talat a couple of times, find an excuse to blame the Turkish side one way or another and hope for the best in the elections! That's what it is and you probably know this but I wanted to spell it out for those who might not have grasped this yet.
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In any case, the Turks have found their excuse to not move the process on by virtue of a cancelled football match! So, if you think Talat is acting in any way better then think again. Can Talat equally be taken serioulsy by anyone? I don't think Talat has enamoured himself too much in Europe either. The politicians on both sides are a bunch of incompetent fools!
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I agree with this one. Talat could and should have been much more aggressive in terms of finding a solution to the Cyprus problem. Instead, he chose to follow the same blame tactics used by Denktas and Papadopoulos. But I'll give him the credit of wanting to negotiate though. There can be no harm in more communication between the two communities at any level and at least he realizes that before the elections!
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100%cypriot
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| By the way, do you know how he proposed going about annihilating the villages (and the people living in them)? By filling fire engines with petrol and spraying their houses! |
Err, actions speak louder than words! Unless you can read Papadopoulos' mind. The fact is, this did not happen.
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| Papadopoulos could not and cannot take advantage of the EU. |
Well, on this I agree because he has been relying too much on legal aspects of the problem and ignoring the political aspects. Typical lawyer!
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| Let me give you one example of the way this man thinks. Two weeks ago Kasoulides called upon the President to go for direct talks with Talat. On Papadopoulos's instructions, the Foreign Secretary, Lilikas, called Kasoulides a fool and naive, for making this suggestion. What to you think has changed in the space of two weeks? Can this man ever be taken seriously by anyone? |
Well, all I can say is that Talat has been pushing for talks with no real agenda. And the way I understand it is that Papadopoulos didn't want to engage in talks with no real agenda. Papadopoulos wants to move the July 8th process so I suppose he has a clear reason to see Talat and he has made suggestions as to how to go about it. Now, I think he should have made this move alot sooner so as to put pressure on the Turkish side.
In any case, the Turks have found their excuse to not move the process on by virtue of a cancelled football match! So, if you think Talat is acting in any way better then think again. Can Talat equally be taken serioulsy by anyone? I don't think Talat has enamoured himself too much in Europe either. The politicians on both sides are a bunch of incompetent fools!
At the end of the day, both idiots are all talk and no action. |
Mikkie you got it dead right !!
BOTH ARE IDIOTS |
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