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pg
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You'll need to read up...
There was a case in a Nicosia court, but since the British settlers does not have any assets in the areas controlled by the Republic of Cyprus the ruling needs to be implemented in the UK. |
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-mikkie2-
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This case has highlighted that there are roughly 14000 Britons that have illegally bought Greek Cypriot property in the north.
When the case is heard by the European Court its conclusions will set a precedent which will affect all these people.
Now, do we seriously think that the ECJ will come up with a clear cut interpretation of Protocol 10 which would be in favour of the Greek Cypriot refugees?
Lets not also forget that this ruling will also affect the other 25 member states of the EU. I myself am not confident that the ECJ will make a clearcut ruling |
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depurple
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What I cant understand?
There is SO MUCH Turkish Cypriot land in the North WHY on Earth sell stolen Greek Cypriot properties that where made abandon by the point of a Turkish gun!
Didn't anyone think about selling the POMS legal Turkish Cypriot land and avoiding the current headaches???
Even thou most Turkish Cypriot knew that it is wrong and it is illegal and against ALL principles of rules and regulations they still did it and sadly are STILL doing it?
JUST sell your own Turkish Cypriot land to the POMS and forget the QUICK BUCK TODAY THINKING!
Surly there are Turkish Cypriot who will sell their legally owned land to the POMS!
What was Denktash plan?
Sell the Greek Cypriot land to the Poms cheap and the POMS like Cherie Blair will support the Turkish Cypriot Independence and latter a state?
OR was Denktash plan to line his and his mates pockets with MONEY before everyone woke up to his corrupt ways?
Well maybe the Turkish Cypriot can answer this?
How in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus became rich out of all this LAND corruption?
Only a few my friends!
And we ALL know who they are!
Wake up and Pay compensation to the Greek Cypriot who have lost there land and also to the POMS who where deputed into buying stolen land and the sooner this is done the sooner we can all go back to being civilized and NOT self centered Today PEOPLE:
cheers!
PS As you know all this also applies to ALL the corrupt bastards in the Republic of Cyprus who not only ripped the Turkish Cypriot land but also build on archaeological sites and also in the green belts areas of Arkama!
DP! |
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PAul
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It’s a very sad fact of life, but terrible things like this happen all over the world, at the end of the day; it’s the innocent people who lose everything that you really have to feel sorry for!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/investigates/2007/06/21/nothing-in-site-for-villa-victims-89520-19331016/
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ON paper it looked like a great deal. A property in the sun for half the market price and all you have to do in return is let the developer rent the place for six months a year for 10 years.
When the 10 years is up the house in Cyprus would be yours for good. Unsurprisingly, there were plenty of takers who poured in nearly £3million between them.
Two years later, the four sites around Paphos are still just that - building sites.
The developer Ian Beaumont has done a runner and some victims don't even own the land he left behind. Scores of Brits shelled out on average £60,000 towards the final cost of the properties. What they got is worth far less.
Peter Bayliss, from Southampton, paid a deposit of £48,000 for a three-bedroom townhouse.
"We did all the research we could and were assured that he had built previous developments and would deliver. But two years down the line there is still no sign of building."
Dave Goodman, of Desborough, Northants, also paid £48,000 and said: "I've lost the lot."
Jon Fox, from Huddersfield, West Yorks, paid £75,000 for his house but says he has no idea what happened to his money: "There's a trail of lies and deceit."
Some victims paid their money into the account of Beaumont's firm J&I Estates at the Birmingham branch of Laiki Bank.
BUT most paid their deposits into a UK account held by J&I's "sole agents" Peter Stephenson Properties.
Andrew Nolan was PSP's Paphos branch manager at the time and insists he was not to blame. He says J&I built its offices in Paphos and came highly recommended.
Nolan added that individual investors were responsible for hiring their own solicitor to check whether the prices were fair and if the land and building permits were secure.
We last met Nolan four years ago, after he was banned from serving as a company director for the maximum possible 15 years.
A judge then branded Nolan a "complete fraudster" after his insurance company One Call Insure Direct went bust with debts of £2.3m.
Accountants found a £722,000 black hole in the company's accounts but Nolan had fled to his villa in Cyprus.
He'd already clocked up a four-year boardroom ban in 1993 when his CCTV outfit Crimewatch (UK) was shut down with debts of £100,000.
Now working in the UK as PSP's development manager, Nolan says it banked £2.2m for J&I but passed it all on Beaumont.
He says he was due to earn 10 per cent commission but actually only got 6.7 per cent before J&I went under.
"It is not unusual for late delivery of properties and several other developers are currently a year or more late in delivering homes," he adds.
Hardly what you want to hear from your estate agent but neither is this: "The clients have not lost all their money but it is horribly tied up in the land and will be some time, probably years, before it is all sorted out."
He says that a deal is being hammered out for victims to get their money back at some point. We'd love to speak to Beaumont about this and we're not the only ones.
We know that he admitted to investors last November that he didn't have enough money left to build their homes.
According to Nolan, Beaumont blamed Cypriots for delays and spiralling costs. Beaumont is apparently in the Czech Republic, starting a new life. Unlike his victims. |
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100%cypriot
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| Thats funny , i was just reading about that in the daily mirror |
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depurple
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Boys IT goes to prove one thing!
Doest matter ON which side of the boarder you are there is always someone MAKING Dirty money and others getting screwed with a pineapple!
cheers!
PS Any Pineapple in Cyprus? If not make that a melon! OUCH! |
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repulsewarrior
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Orams won?
...it's not over, and this is good news except for those whose homes are built on land that belongs to others,,,
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European Court blow for Orams
By Philippos Stylianou
AT the European Court of Justice yesterday, Greek Cypriot refugee Meletis Apostolides took a step closer to winning his case against the British couple who built a house on his land in the occupied part of Cyprus.
The final outcome of the case is set to have a far-reaching effect on the issue of Greek Cypriot properties in the Turkish-occupied north of the island.
In 2005, a Cypriot court ordered David and Linda Orams to demolish the villa and pay compensation to the owner. Apostolides applied to the London High Court under an EU regulation to have the decision enforced against the Orams’ property in the UK.
The British Court held that this could not be done, since the application of European law had been suspended in the part of the island not controlled by the Cyprus government.
Apostolides turned to the British Court of Appeal, which referred the crucial points of the case to the European Court of Justice for a preliminary ruling.
In a sweeping recommendation to the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Justice, the Court’s Advocate General, Julianne Kokkott, yesterday answered all five points referred to it an a positive way for Apostolides.
If the 13 judges of the Grand Chamber follow her recommendation, the British judicial authorities would be obliged to enforce the Cyprus court decision against the Orams.
The couple were not present in Luxemburg to hear Kokott read out her recommendation. Apostolides attended with his lawyer Constantis Candounas. The British couple were represented by their Turkish Cypriot counsel.
The Cyprus Attorney General, Petros Klerides, welcomed the Luxemburg recommendation, describing it as a very important development and noting that it fully adopted the arguments raised by Apostolides and the Republic of Cyprus.
He particularly stressed Kokott’s view that the case was one of civil law and therefore was not in any way affected by the so called “property compensation commission” in the occupied areas.
Kokott in her recommendation said that all EU member states were obliged to enforce the judgments of the Cyprus court even if the concerned property was situated in the part of the island not controlled by the government.
She explained that the British courts had to recognise the Cyprus court decision in the UK since this did not entail applying the EU regulation in the occupied part of the island. Only the UK courts need act, Kokott noted.
Furthermore, she said that although the talks for the solution of the Cyprus problem presented a noble cause, she could not see how the outcome of the case could affect them.
The ECJ top aide also recommended that the inability to enforce the decision of the Cyprus court in the occupied part of the island did not relieve the judicial authorities of the other member states of the obligation to recognise its international validity.
Finally, she observed that the Orams were given the opportunity to challenge Apostolides in the Cypriot courts and therefore no procedural arguments could be raised against enforcing the decision in the UK.
http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default.aspx?FrontPageID=304_1
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repulsewarrior
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April 28 (Bloomberg) -- Thousands of property investors may be in danger of losing vacation homes in the northern part of Cyprus after the European Union’s top court ruled that a Greek Cypriot can reclaim land once owned by his family.
The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg today said that a judgment from the Republic of Cyprus in the south ordering a U.K. couple to demolish their house must be recognized by EU countries even if it concerns land in the northern part of the island.
The plaintiffs, Linda and David Orams, invested 160,000 pounds ($234,600) in a holiday home in Lapithos, a region in the north occupied by Turkish troops since 1974. The case, which has bounced from courts in Nicosia to London to Luxembourg, has implications for many of the 22,000 foreign investors, mostly from the U.K., said Marian Stokes, the founder of a group that advises owners of homes in the region.
“It’s absolutely gutting,” said Stokes of the Homebuyers’ Pressure Group. “It’s so sad, because people stand to lose so much money.”
The Orams’ lawyer, Hasan Vahib in London, didn’t respond to a request for comment. |
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repulsewarrior
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repulsewarrior
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Greek Cypriots 'can reclaim land'
The Orams built their dream home just west of the port of Kyrenia
The EU's top court has backed the right of a Greek Cypriot to reclaim land in Turkish-controlled northern Cyprus that has since been sold to a UK couple.
Meletis Apostolides was one of thousands of Greek Cypriots who fled his home when Turkish forces invaded in 1974, following a Greek-inspired coup.
The land was later sold to Linda and David Orams, who built a villa on it.
The European Court of Justice says a ruling in a Cypriot court that the villa must be demolished is applicable.
Even if the ECJ ruling cannot be enacted because the land is under Turkish Cypriot control, it means Mr Apostolides will be able to pursue a claim for compensation in a UK court.
It could also open the way for hundreds more Greek Cypriots to demand restitution for properties they were forced to flee.
Many Britons and other foreigners have invested in property in northern Cyprus, despite the legal ownership still being in some doubt.
Mr Apostolides said he was "very much" pleased with the EU court's ruling, and that it was "what we expected".
He added: "This is a difficult issue that has to be decided by the courts."
Property boom
The European Court of Justice ruling on Tuesday said that the decision of a Cypriot court in Nicosia was applicable in the north, even though Cyprus does not exercise control there.
It also said that one EU country - in this case the UK - must recognise judgments made in the courts of another.
The Republic of Cyprus joined the EU in 2004.
EU law was suspended in northern Cyprus for the purposes of Cyprus's accession, but lawyers argued successfully that the Orams' civil case still falls within the scope of the EU regulation.
Northern Cyprus is self-governing and still occupied by the Turkish army, but is not recognised internationally.
Nevertheless, it has become a thriving tourist destination in recent years, and house-building has boomed.
Some of those houses have been sold by Turkish Cypriots to foreigners, even though the land they were built on was once owned by Greek Cypriots and its legal status remained uncertain.
Property disputes dating back to 1974 have been one of the main obstacles to efforts to reunify Cyprus.
Correspondents say dispossessed Greek Cypriots are now likely to launch more legal battles, which in turn may harden opposition to reunification among Turkish Cypriots.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8022238.stm |
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city
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Will that put an end to the sale of land with Greek Cypriot owners pre 74 or any land with uncertain ownership (on both sides for that matter)?
Actually from what I understand - it is now pretty clear that if the legal owner claims his property, he will either get it back or will be compensated through valuables available from the plaintiff in other EU memberstates. |
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polis
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| Yeah but don't you think this will be appealed to death? |
Oops, I had replied to an ancient post from xenos thinking it has just been posted. Had to edit my reply. Xenos actually talking about appealing the first instanced judgment of the English court which is exactly what happened and in the end the judgment was completely overturned by the ECJ. Great day for all the North Cyprus property owners who were robbed of their properties as a result of the invasion and have had to watch them been turned into a UK white trash paradise. |
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repulsewarrior
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And while the Greek Cypriots may hail the ruling as a vindication of their rights, Meletis Apostolides will know that he is no closer to reclaiming his property than he was a week ago. As President Christofias acknowledged, the Cyprus problem will not be solved by a court decision, however favourable it may be.
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45437
It would have been different had the case targeted Turkish Cypriots, themselves displaced or in some way victims of the long-running Cyprus conflict. But the Orams, and hundreds of others like them, are effectively guilty of buying stolen property, snatching up the cheap deal offered ‘off the back of a lorry’ while wilfully closing their eyes to the reasons for such a bargain. The least they deserve is to sweat about the future of their ill-gotten gains. |
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repulsewarrior
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| Even if there are difficulties in executing a judgement against the usurper of your land in Cyprus, “you still have 26 other member states to look for enforceability, thereby increasing your chances”. |
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45433
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A second possible implication of the ECJ ruling is the potential for civil litigation on events taking place in the north, with execution of the judgements in the south or EU.
"For example, a Greek Cypriot travels to the occupied areas and gets his car crashed into by a Turkish Cypriot in Kyrenia. He may bring an action against the Turkish Cypriot in the Kyrenia district court temporarily situated in Nicosia. If he obtains a judgement, and the defendant has assets in the government-controlled areas or the EU, then he can execute the judgement,” said Demetriades |
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repulsewarrior
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...still going on; tuesday a big day. |
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