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repulsewarrior

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly I am disappointed with your reaction, Xenos. Why become the very thing that you hate, especially because you should know better, living in a land which allows free expression, association and movement. Taking these comments pesonally, and reciprocating is just plain wrong...and a sign of weakness. Where is your tolerance?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
Frankly I am disappointed with your reaction, Xenos. Why become the very thing that you hate, especially because you should know better, living in a land which allows free expression, association and movement. Taking these comments pesonally, and reciprocating is just plain wrong...and a sign of weakness. Where is your tolerance?


Everybody needs to take a chill pill chill Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
Where is your tolerance?


My Dear Friends , You said it , the biggest thing lacking in Cyprus is Tolerance to each other
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Prove the point WE are still looking for a competent teacher with no political views to teach the kids,

Somehow i don't think we will find one
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still No Takers !

Show's how much Racism There Realy is between the Two People ! Surprise surprise
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repulsewarrior

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teachers?,
who you talking about?, Dr.D?,
brother?,...oh no... don't get me started...where
is the Moose? ...or wasn't this topic going swimmingly, just
a couple of members beating each other, on the head.

What, we should recruit professors from universities worldwide to become members, toward building this forum into something that has the power to solve this ugly problem?

I don't get it, two people, just two people?, which people? Are they the teachers?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
Teachers?,
who you talking about?, Dr.D?,
brother?,...oh no... don't get me started...where
is the Moose? ...or wasn't this topic going swimmingly, just
a couple of members beating each other, on the head.

What, we should recruit professors from universities worldwide to become members, toward building this forum into something that has the power to solve this ugly problem?

I don't get it, two people, just two people?, which people? Are they the teachers?


RP,
The problem will not be solved until Tpap goes away. At this point and time the majority of the people in Cyprus Turkish Cypriots or Greek Cypriots do not want unification. You had a chance in 2004 but it was wasted. You didn't accept the annan plan and left the North to fend for themselves. The Annan plan may not have been to your liking but did you come back with anything else to replace it? No. You slammed the door in their face and went about joining the EU. What has happened in the last three years? Nothing. This will continue until you get a president that genuinely wants to unify the Island. That means sacrifices on both sides. Why do you need the EU or the UN to work this out? Just don't vote for Tpap anymore.
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repulsewarrior

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, I agree with you on this matter, the old guard are not using all this experience to become the statesmen that the world needs. I am waiting for the inertia that keeps these issues suspended, at an impasse, to break. It may take their demise, but the Annan plan was not clear. The issue of unity is stymied by the adversarial system which includes the machinations of the interlocutors. Hopefully the integrity of people as Humans is stronger than this ignorance.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but the Annan plan was not clear.


My friend, that is not my point. The plan may not have been clear nor fair. If I were a Greek Cypriot bent on uniting the island I would have rejected the plan BUT would have come back with an alternative. "I don't like this plan, but here are some ideas to promulgate another one". There are several ways to skin a cat. Tpap's methods are one way.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xenos 2Fan wrote:
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but the Annan plan was not clear.


My friend, that is not my point. The plan may not have been clear nor fair. If I were a Greek Cypriot bent on uniting the island I would have rejected the plan BUT would have come back with an alternative. "I don't like this plan, but here are some ideas to promulgate another one". There are several ways to skin a cat. Tpap's methods are one way.


Very good point Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Cyprus , i don't think there is a position where one politician can counter the other with better ideas and gain votes , it is because the politicians use the national problem of unification as the main subject , and when a politician from another party counters his promises then the first guy will allways play on the " National Crisis " agenda , which means accusing the other person of lacking pride and trying to prove that his opponent is giving in to the real crisis in uniting the Island , the words TRAITOR are never far from the lips of the more aggressive politician , in the sense that when they are losing in the rating's then these words are used to confuse the people.

When Tpap came to power , he did so playing on the mentality of the nationalistic people and knew that people would not want to be seen as giving too much to the Turkish Cypriots, He also did his usual crying act to win sympathy by showing how loyal he was to the cause , Then he promised the people that under him there would not be a show of weakness and that he would stand up to Turkey and if they stuck by him then the people would all get their home's and land back,

And after so long what has he deliverd ? not only him but Talat . They both Talk a lot but where is the action ? where are the solution's ?

All they do is make themselve's and all those around them more powerfull and wealthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too, I say good point.

For the politician, whatever shape or colour, in this situation, there is litlle incentive to make the historic decisions that will lead to ending the impasse; the risks are too high.

However, Annan himself said that his plan was a proposal, that it would be removed from the table if it failed to pass a referendum, and that an entirely new approach would be found otherwise. It was not"final", nor was it a referendum on either community's willingness to be reunited. The use of it as a weapon against one party or to support another is entirely cynical. Those old enough, who were there and cognitive remember that the treaty of Zurich had the same failing; it was expected to be clarified by the leaders over time.

I think the door is wide open. I like to believe that an idea like mine stimulates an approach that is futuristic, because it assume that the demographics of the island will alter greatly in the future, and it is a means to sustain both cultures under these conditions.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EU will force Turkey to agree to a solution!
It will be BLACK or WHITE!
EU or Cyprus! NO in between!
Turkey wont be able to fake, bluff, threat and all the previous Ottoman thinking and tricks!
Having said this the EU will also make the Greek Cypriot forfeit their strangle hold on power in the Republic of Cyprus and also expect and will receive equality with the Turkish Cypriot!
Why because they will be all EU citizens!
So it WILL be a bitter pill for all to SWALLOW!
Turkey!
Republic of Cyprus!
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus! (Who will have to forfeit a lot of stolen land in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus):
So the EU will play the songs and the rest will dance!
If you think that the EU will not be able to make Turkey & the Republic of Cyprus dance?
Let see!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very good points dep & repulse but all this is up in the air at the moment as we can only assume what is happening behind closed doors ,

Assumption is the Fxck up of all Fxck up's . we want the truth from our so called leaders and we deserve it NOW , we as Cypriots have endured the seperation of our country for nearley 33 years and the patience is wearing very thin now !

WE WAN'T ACTION not just words !
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% do you know when a Politician is Lying?

Answer every-time he opens his mouth!

If we wait for Greek Cypriot & Turkish Cypriot politicians to solve Cyprus we will all be dead and buried!
Why!
Because they are ALL too busy lining their pockets with MONEY!
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