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cannedmoose
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The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best. |
I have nothing but compassion for the innocent... what I don't have compassion for are those who employ the suffering of the innocent to justify campaigns of hatred (which naturally leads to campaigns of violence) against those who are equally innocent of those crimes. Do you hold all current Turkish nationals responsible for the crimes of their long-dead ancestors? Is it right to blame a Turk in 2006 for the crimes of 1453? I suggest you examine the crimes and misdemenours of your ancestors before throwing the first stone. Your whole mindset is an outmoded and tiresome nonsense.
As for your purile attempt to suggest that I am somehow damned, I hold no trust in your predictions of final judgement and I am quite sure I would be welcomed through the pearly gates because I hold hate for no man, whereas you appear consumed by it, with your illogical hatred for 'Turks' and 'Anglo-Saxons' (of which my ancestry is neither for your information). I look forward to the day (very soon) when we don't have to read your angry damnations any longer. I wish you the most pleasant of days. |
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DigenisAkritas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| YAWN... |
The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best. |
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| I have nothing but compassion for the innocent... what I don't have compassion for are those who employ the suffering of the innocent to justify campaigns of hatred (which naturally leads to campaigns of violence) against those who are equally innocent of those crimes. Do you hold all current Turkish nationals responsible for the crimes of their long-dead ancestors? Is it right to blame a Turk in 2006 for the crimes of 1453? I suggest you examine the crimes and misdemenours of your ancestors before throwing the first stone. Your whole mindset is an outmoded and tiresome nonsense. |
The turk has never been brought to a final account for his crimes as Lloyd George wanted. He has been allowed to fester away as the sick man of Europe, murdering Kurds, dispossesing Constantinople Greeks of their rights while all the while the British watch on. Gladstone and Voltaire are rolling in their graves.
"I wish fervently that the Turkish barbarians be chased away immediately out of the country of Xenophon, Socrates, Plato, Sophocles and Euripides. If we wanted, it could be done soon but seven crusades of superstition have been undertaken and a crusade of honour will never take place. We know almost no city built by them; they let decay the most beautiful establishments of Antiquity, they reign over ruins."
- Voltaire.
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| As for your purile attempt to suggest that I am somehow damned, I hold no trust in your predictions of final judgement and I am quite sure I would be welcomed through the pearly gates because I hold hate for no man, whereas you appear consumed by it, with your illogical hatred for 'Turks' and 'Anglo-Saxons' (of which my ancestry is neither for your information). I look forward to the day (very soon) when we don't have to read your angry damnations any longer. I wish you the most pleasant of days. |
Anglo Saxons have, and always will be anti-greek. |
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cannedmoose
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| DigenisAkritas wrote: |
| Anglo Saxons have, and always will be anti-greek. |
1. Your own argument disproves your ignorant blanket assertion.
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| The turk has never been brought to a final account for his crimes as Lloyd George wanted. |
2. I suggest you go to your favourite source Wikipedia and look at the following... Lord Byron, Battle of Navarino, and Battle of Greece... all of which also disprove your argument that "Anglo Saxons have, and always will be anti-greek".  |
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DigenisAkritas
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1. Your own argument disproves your ignorant blanket assertion. |
Lloyd George, Gladstone and men of their stature and courage are long gone from this country. All that is left are dhimmis like Blair and Cameron.
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| 2. I suggest you go to your favourite source Wikipedia and look at the following... Lord Byron, Battle of Navarino, and Battle of Greece... all of which also disprove your argument that "Anglo Saxons have, and always will be anti-greek". |
The British told Codrington not to destroy the Ottoman fleet too badly because they still wanted an Ottoman presence in the Aegean, and how about all the times Russia was so close to crushing the Turk and was held back by the British Fleet entering the Bosphorus? |
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cannedmoose
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| DigenisAkritas wrote: |
| Lloyd George, Gladstone and men of their stature and courage are long gone from this country. All that is left are dhimmis like Blair and Cameron. |
But you said that Anglo-Saxons are inherently anti-Greek... are you now backtracking on that statement?
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| The British told Codrington not to destroy the Ottoman fleet too badly because they still wanted an Ottoman presence in the Aegean, and how about all the times Russia was so close to crushing the Turk and was held back by the British Fleet entering the Bosphorus? |
Are you also neglecting that Codrington was indeed British. Therefore, while the British government may have been wary of destroying the Ottoman fleet, it was indeed a Briton and a fleet of British sailors who engaged and destroyed them, thus safeguarding the independence of Greece at a time when such a large Ottoman force could have crushed their resistance. Therefore, is it not valid to say that Greece owes much to this group of British sailors?
In summary, not ALL 'Anglo-Saxons' throughout history have been 'Anti-Greek'. In fact, the majority of 'Anglo-Saxons' today provide valuable support to the Greek and Cypriot economies by venturing there as tourists. Without this support, neither country would be as prosperous as they are today. If all Anglo-Saxons hated Greeks, would they really want to be amongst them for 2 weeks every year?
When, DigenisAkritas, are you going to appreciate that your arguments are rather warped? You only see evidence that supports your beliefs, you fail to understand the importance of contrary argument and evidence. |
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cypezokyli
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thats not the case about the "anglo-saxons"
it is bc of the alliance with the british that greece has the borders it has today. the greeks got a state because of the foreign powers , england prevented a turkish attack on greece on 1897 , and backed the demands of greece in the balkan wars.
england didnot do that bc they were "pro-greek" . such terms as "pro-greek" and "anti-greek" (fillellinas , misellinas) only exists in the way of thinking of stupid greek education. the official policies of countries are driven by interests not love or hate....venizelos was the one to acknowledge that - hence the enlargment of greece during his reign. |
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Khan
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| and his reconciliation with Turkey. I wish politicians today would put aside much of the rhetoric and realise what is in their interest i.e. France, Austria, Germany and Cyprus. If Greece and Turkey could come to such terms after such a brutal war why can we not manage today? |
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cannedmoose
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| @cypez, it's notable that when the facts speak against him, DA retreats to the corner... oh bless the bravery of cowards... |
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DigenisAkritas
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| DigenisAkritas wrote: |
| Lloyd George, Gladstone and men of their stature and courage are long gone from this country. All that is left are dhimmis like Blair and Cameron. |
But you said that Anglo-Saxons are inherently anti-Greek... are you now backtracking on that statement?
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| The British told Codrington not to destroy the Ottoman fleet too badly because they still wanted an Ottoman presence in the Aegean, and how about all the times Russia was so close to crushing the Turk and was held back by the British Fleet entering the Bosphorus? |
Are you also neglecting that Codrington was indeed British. Therefore, while the British government may have been wary of destroying the Ottoman fleet, it was indeed a Briton and a fleet of British sailors who engaged and destroyed them, thus safeguarding the independence of Greece at a time when such a large Ottoman force could have crushed their resistance. Therefore, is it not valid to say that Greece owes much to this group of British sailors?
In summary, not ALL 'Anglo-Saxons' throughout history have been 'Anti-Greek'. In fact, the majority of 'Anglo-Saxons' today provide valuable support to the Greek and Cypriot economies by venturing there as tourists. Without this support, neither country would be as prosperous as they are today. If all Anglo-Saxons hated Greeks, would they really want to be amongst them for 2 weeks every year?
When, DigenisAkritas, are you going to appreciate that your arguments are rather warped? You only see evidence that supports your beliefs, you fail to understand the importance of contrary argument and evidence. |
I am not backtracking, when I refer to the English I refer to Government Policy, something that not even Gladstone or Lloyd George could break, nor even Churchill who once said Cyprus was an embodiment of Hellenism. |
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cannedmoose
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| DigenisAkritas wrote: |
| I am not backtracking, when I refer to the English I refer to Government Policy, something that not even Gladstone or Lloyd George could break, nor even Churchill who once said Cyprus was an embodiment of Hellenism. |
Thank you for backtracking... your original post said that Anglo-Saxons were anti-Greek... you did not specifically state that British government policy was anti-Greek. Also, in labelling the British government as the embodiment of Anglo-Saxon, you denounced the governments of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many other states. I trust you will now apologise for your indiscretion. |
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DigenisAkritas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
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| I am not backtracking, when I refer to the English I refer to Government Policy, something that not even Gladstone or Lloyd George could break, nor even Churchill who once said Cyprus was an embodiment of Hellenism. |
Thank you for backtracking... your original post said that Anglo-Saxons were anti-Greek... you did not specifically state that British government policy was anti-Greek. Also, in labelling the British government as the embodiment of Anglo-Saxon, you denounced the governments of Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many other states. I trust you will now apologise for your indiscretion. |
But those Governments too are anti-Greek. Australia especially, Australians are ridiculously racist people, even moreso than the English imo. |
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cannedmoose
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| But those Governments too are anti-Greek. Australia especially, Australians are ridiculously racist people, even moreso than the English imo. |
Is there a single government on this planet that isn't anti-Greek? Have you looked up 'paranoia' on Wikipedia lately? If not, suggest you do so immediately and consult your nearest psychiatrist for assistance...
Here's a starter for ten...
http://www.privatepsychiatry.co.uk/ |
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DigenisAkritas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
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| But those Governments too are anti-Greek. Australia especially, Australians are ridiculously racist people, even moreso than the English imo. |
Is there a single government on this planet that isn't anti-Greek? Have you looked up 'paranoia' on Wikipedia lately? If not, suggest you do so immediately and consult your nearest psychiatrist for assistance... |
Moose, from what I understand you are married to a Greek, how can this be if you dont like us? |
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cannedmoose
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| DigenisAkritas wrote: |
| Moose, from what I understand you are married to a Greek, how can this be if you dont like us? |
You misunderstand. I hold no hatred for entire peoples based on nationality... to me a person's nationality is irrelevant. There are Cypriot people that I love and like dearly (like my family and friends), there are Cypriot people about whom I hold no opinion (like those I don't know). There are also Cypriot people that I dislike because their views are racist and xenophobic. The same goes for English people, Turkish people, Chinese... whoever.
Perhaps the day will come (probably when you grow up) when you will realise that nations are mere constructs and you cannot ascribe feelings on this basis. |
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