Repulsewarrior's concept of a post-solution government

[repulsewarrior]

Moderator's note: Split from 'Moose Plan' thread as it did not discuss the proposed plan

I envisage a cantonal state with pockets of 'Greeks' and 'Turks' living in these canton living with a sense of security because the canton competing with other cantons are promoting the quality of minority rights.

A bi-cameral central government will surely leave universal sufferage as a valuable resource for the sense of security which all citizens crave if one house had an equal number of representatives from both communities.

[Dhavlos]

[repulsewarrior]

Here we are, at the very begining for me. What the heck was I trying to say?

I will try again, but firstly I'd like to say hello Dhavlos, I read your proposal at CF, it is a fine work, and it is still there.

The situation:

The possibility of a great number of people to be displaced, (again), to redress the injustice, of these hundreds of thousands of citizens who have already suffered illegal violations of their Basic Human Rights.

The island divided in two, with the two populations in isolation from each other.

A desire for a solution which provides equality of individual rights and a communal nature to the service which will be provided to the population.

Notwithstanding any previous agreements, the two communities cannot negociate independantly without Turkey's consideration.

The Solution:

Leave the island basically divided as it is.

Plan for the Right of Return, and allow for communities to be rebuilt, and to be large enough to provide for their own social-exchange. It is not important how many of these "cantons" or pockets are arranged, they will most likely be of mixed population, but the majority would be the opposite to the territory which surrounds it.

Plan for new settlements to be built so that the island can be better managed as a sustainable resource which can be developed, allowing for convenience and free movement for all citizens island wide.

In this manner, there is an opportunity for those who will be displaced to choose, and their is a greater chance for the individual to have a choice which is suitable.

The Constitution will be reformed.

The State, "Republic of Cyprus" will continue to exist, and it will be a better representitive of our will as a people because it will be sovereign in the defense of our Individual Rights.

Two states will exist who are sovereign, in providing the services citizens receive, in their territory, and their satelite states, the "Cantons".

The Federal Government will be lead by the leader whose party wins the greatest number of seats in the Upper House. The Lower House will have representatives independantly elected, and a speaker, whose function is to direct the House toward their votes on legislation, and to have selected the representatives whose work will be focused in Committee, by consensus. I may add that this House will evolve over time to represent regions.

The Upper House will have an equal number of seats for Turcophones and Grecophones. Each Citizen will vote for one of each group, not necessarily in support of the same Party, to represent their riding. Do the math. Only a leader who appeals to all citizens can win, and hold on to power.

The State of the northern... has a structure, and it seems to be appreciated by the population that it serves. The State of the southern...is up to that population there, to create, for themselves. I believe in this way, it will be possible to provide recognition for Minority rights, reciprocally for both populations, as well as the chance to promote diversity, within our own respective collectivities.

Cypriots, in voting for this "Plan" will renounce the association they have with their respective "motherlands", and they will accept that they are equal founding members in this stuggle to end subjugation.

I know...I know... the population of Cyprus is not 12 Million, yet. But that is the potential, with the world's population at 9 Billion.

Your comments please.

[repulsewarrior]

I will try again,


Take a map of Cyprus, gather a handful of jewels and scatter them over the island. This reform, its geographic context described, in essence.

Take three governments: two which are zonal; sovereign over their territory, the usage du sol, representing the country's internal affairs, and one; Republic of Cyprus, sovereign as a country, having a reformed Constitution, an equal member of the EU.

Keep the same border since it seems that this was decided in 1962... but introduce the trade, reproportionalisation, organise so that land is redistributed toward progressive population growth, introduce a strategy for the repopulation of the island... through these "Cantons" , (not my idea... only agreeing to it, having read it as an idea discussed Mak-Denk1974),

Well that's not clear, again,

The Jewels, each one an island, and an inverse of the land that surrounds it. With this redistribution of the land, with it being a challenge to many of hardship, there is, at least in the end a home which is theirs, and a community, for their family to grow.


In my mind it is normal to see Turkish Cypriot Towns...in the south. Talk, about racism... often I meet Greeks who scowl, having said with that pride in my voice, "Kypros". I am older, now much blood in the water, under the bridge, but some still ask me, "How can you live, with your neighbour when they are Turkish?". What can I say, it is all we have known, in my case for about two hundred fifty years.

I grew up in a "mixed" village, I spit, it is not "the way", I resent the term, to me it is ignorant, even after our liberation in 1960, labeled, in association willingly, but without choice, we were fools, all of us, like lambs to the slaughter, in 1974, my Uncle his son and all our family, many of our village, stayed, and like people all around the world we cheered to think that Turkey would stop this turmoil, but they came, and the rest is a horror story, where... over time... am I to say the guilty should not be broken... no!...but of the ones who stood and watched, I wish the courage, at least for one of them, to stand up and say, "I saw a war crime, I should be guilty, because I did nothing to stop it", "this" is the man I saw... hopefully, our own court can redress the crimes, with verdicts that provide our society custom that is far more refined. And for those survivors: guilty or victims, rested souls.

For Chapfallen;
I say you will get past the first page and read the rest of the constitution of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. It is a well written document, written by a Cypriot, Rauf Denktash, (and it should be and can be amended).
Now.
If you can imagine, Greek Cypriot people making a constitution for a government where Greek is first, like their counterpart, then you can imagine two governments, who can claim their fielty to the Republic of Cyprus, a third government, having a new Constitution which respects these peoples' equality, having a bicameral legislature for their representation, defending their sovereignty as Individuals; Cypriots, as EU members.

As you say, Greekturc or Turcgreek, or whatever "doesn't matter", it is an internal dialog, our external dialog, the matter of exchange, on this we are focused as though none of us can speak English. Simply put, each Community shall deal with their Minority(ies), because they will have one, and it will grow far more complex in the near term with our introduction into the EU. ( as two homogenous parts, or bi-communal; each community having several, or many, parts) one cannot expect things to stay the same.



The Parliament: (bi-cameral)


Lower House:

Representation by population, electoral ridings having a relationship to geography, but having an equal number of voters in each.

The voter chooses a person from their community who is independent of party support, who represents them with the other elected representatives in this house through a speaker, voting by consensus on legislation which is passed by the Upper House. Their special power is that the seats in committee, the government is obliged to fill from the members of this House. Can amend a Bill, to become law if voted in favour by the Upper House.


The Upper House:

100 seats, 50 for Turkish Cypriot representatives, and 50 for Greek Cypriot representatives. The leader of the House is the President and his Party, having won a majority of the seats, each voter in the country having voted for their Turkish Cypriot Representative, and their Greek Cypriot Representative, from two lists of candidates, the parties provide.

Each citizen having three votes, they are empowered with a government which cannot act against the State because of its transparency.

Geography, History, Politics. Your comment please.

[Chapfallen]

I’m not a specialist (is better to ask Kifeas he knows everything) but I think what the Anan plan was better and more realistic.

If i get it right about the cantons is like the multicircuit federation solution that Klirides and Lissarides propose to Makarios and he refuses it because he said what the two communities can’t live together and they must be geographically separated.

I don’t know.

If something will come to the horizon that can bring us a solution I will examine it but for now we have in front of us only the BBF and some other worst scenarios.

[repulsewarrior]

There are three governments involved.:

1. The Republic of Cyprus, which has as its jurisdiction the protection pf our Individual Rights, and our representation as Cypriots.

2. A Turkish Cypriot government, providing the service and infrastructure to its electorate within its territories.

3. A Greek Cypriot Government, to do the same in it "zone".

[repulsewarrior]

I will try again...

All peoples seek freedom in their association, expression, and movement. A solution in Cyprus requires the reform of its Constitution to conform. And it has been expressed that both sides in this conflict seek a Bi-Zonal Bi-Communal Federation.

In my mind Bi-Zonal does not mean two parts, as Bi-Communal is not two communities apart.

Therefore, I have provided for the geographic representation of this desire as the two existing parts with spots on both. Bi-Zonal.

As a Cypriot, each citizen votes for the best representative thricely: one turcophone and one grecophone, from two slates, by Party, for the Upper House, where the government is led; and one independant representative not having Party support, for the Lower House where there is sober thought, in a Bi-Cameral Legislature.

and

As a Turkish Cypriot, or as a Greek Cypriot, one would vote for your representative in one of two legislatures, depending on where you live, a majority respectively; if you live in "that" part or in one of its spots; otherwise you are voting as a minority, but in this case neither is refused their voting rights, and all voters, as dwellers, are treated equally.

Bi-Communal

This is my idea in a nutshell.

Your comments, thank-you.

[Chapfallen]

If I’m not mistaken something like this was proposed at 73 from Ecevit and for back then a solution similar with this it could be perfect but for now this is just dreams that can’t be truth. Mostly the Turkish Cypriot side will refuse it but also the Greek Cypriot side I don’t think what they will support it.

[stavrizatz]

I guess is frustrating RW, to try to explain the idea again and again. Personally I like it but as I said previously for me it is important progressivily that Cyprus is formed in a better democratic structures. Sorry if you mentioned anything about that but I'll read it again when I am more awake.

[DigenisAkritas]

No 50 - 50 split, never, this is a recipe for disaster, the turks will do what they did in the 60's and veto everything from education bills to industrial regulation.

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