APOLOGY AND RESPECT

[brother]

I firmly believe that 'us' cypriots have still to make amends to one another concerning our recent history from 1963 up till today for the inhumane and unacceptable realities we inflicted on each other and to current date still do by refusing to accept and make amends for this dark part of our history.

I would like to see if our members on this forum agree that we should make apologies for the past to help in the healing of the present for an amicable and prosperous future.


Some of the issues we need to own up to (i repeat some of them but feel free to add some more)


Turkish Cypriot being forced to live in ghettos for 11 years

Greek Cypriot being forced to leave their homes

Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot deaths at the hands of EOKA

Turkish Cypriot deaths at the hands of EOKAB

Greek Cypriot deaths at the hands of TMT and Turkish army

Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot in letting the cyprus problem last 32+ years

Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot failure to bring the murderers of its people to justice

And the list just goes on and on, we have much to be ashamed of and need to eat lots of humble pie.

Those truely who feel something for their fellow country men will understand where this is heading as in when you are courageous enough to admit to the wrongs done in your name and make amends for it through a heart felt apology you earn and gain the respect of the people you have wronged and a new leaf is turned in your relationship with them and prejudices of old are no longer an issue in your present and the future becomes positive.

In short nothing to lose but everything to gain imo.

[cypezokyli]

i agree and i apologise

[Bullika]

apologies carry a psychological importance no doubt as they make certain people believe that times have changed for the better. but apologies are not enough, they are just words, they need to be accompanied with action by both sides, and the best place imo to start is in education. if we teach people to view eachother as cypriots and human beings and embrace the notion that cyprus is not greek or turkish but a multi-cultural nation then under multi-culturalism we can live together.

[Birkibrisli]

I too agree and unreservedly apologise.
I just want to add two more items to brothers list:

Apologies to Turkish Cypriots killed or driven away in exile by the TMT;
and Apologies to our country Cyprus and her people the Cypriots, for failing to protect them from the evil designs of the imperialists and colonialists of all persuation...

if we could only accept that we are collectively guilty of terrible crimes perpetrated in our name,that would go a long way in fostering understanding and respect.

[stavrizatz]

Hi there,

It's good to acknowledge the past but not really apologise.

Apologise is to say sorry for something that our generation haven't done, so I think many people wouldn't like to apologise. On the other hand acknoledge it is to recognise the trauma that Cypriots (both Turkish and Greek) suffered.

You mentioned EOKA, do you mean EOKA B' because EOKA was formed to fight the Brittish and liberate Cyprus, there was no link between EOKA and deaths of Greek or Turkish Cypriots (maybe some who supported the Brittish), as far as I know. EOKA was not a terrorism organisation as the Brittish called them but purely a liberation struggle. Brittish also called the Australian Native people animals and white people were allowed to shot them as animals, it was not a murder so...

Ok this is as far as I know, the struggle happened 50 years ago so there might be hidden truths that i am not aware of.

Please let me know if you have heared something different (I mean something different but not Turkish propaganda).

[erolz]

[depurple]

Stravorasta
What Erolz is say is correct mate and I agree with his views on EOKA & EOKA B:
BUT let me add:
The Poms told Makarios that they will have to delay giving Cyprus Independence for a few more years to protect the Suez Canal and the Middle East But he didn't tell the people this: He and Grivas said lets fight for Independence:
BUT WHO was going to pay Great Britain the millions they spent on the infrastructure: So that is why the UK has the bases and dose NOT PAY ONE CENT:
WE owe them money: Like Australia owes the POMS money: We Aussie will get Independence in 2025 or something like that:
PERSONALLY i want the UK to stay in Australia FOREVER:
We have 200 million Indonesians 100 kilometers
away and the only 2 THINGS that is stopping them attacking Australia ONE DAY is:
1: The Union Jack on our Flag:
2: The Queens picture on our MONEY!
Hail to Britain!
God Save the Queen!
And all that jazz!
Tally Ho PIP PIP Hooray!
Cheers!
PS I forgot why Makarios and Grivas did this!
Makarios for megalomania POWER and Grivas to kill the Communists first and go back to mother Greece!
Politics LOVE IT or LEAVE IT!

[stavrizatz]

Hi Erolz

[depurple]

stavrizatz
I am sure you are Eric's mirror image!
"I doubt that people were killed because they opposed Enosis" tell that to my Uncle Adreas wife and 6 children mate!
He was against ENOSIS so they called him a Communist and bang! Tell you the truth he wasn't really nothing But they killed him anyway:
They said they where sorry about it! So you see they did have a heart!

NO Communist I ever knew in Cyprus wanted ENOSIS with GREECE: Never!
They wanted Independence YES!
BUT Britain hired Grivas to do the dirty work and knock OFF the Communist in Cyprus BECAUSE the communists wanted independence and then call in RUSSIA to put a base in Cyprus like in CUBA and this made the British and the US go crazy:
Grivas also did a good job in Greece with the Communists: Ask about him in Kardista! The women are still wearing BLACK!
Read Peter Wright book "Spy Catcher"about Grivas and Churchill:
Also I have said this again and again and will again and again UNTIL you understand what Independence means!
Cyprus OWES money to Britain for the infrastructure that they put into Cyprus:
stavrizatz ANSWER THIS:
Who put the!!!!!!!
Electricity:
telephones:
Postage service:
Ports:
Air Ports:
Dams:
Radio:
TV
ect ect
Who Mate?
Greece? They didn't have this UNTIL the 60s Cyprus had all this in the 20s:
Turkey? Some of Turkey still hasn't got all this today:
It was Britain my Friend and all this had to be paid:
BUT Greece had NO money to pay so they TOLD some misguided fools to fight for it:EOKA: Instead of waiting for it!
All they had to do is wait for a few years longer for Britain to give it to us:
LOOK at Australia we still haven't got it because we cant pay Britain the money yet!
Look at FIJI: They paid Britain what they owed in GOLD and Rambuka went to England and picked up the Constitution and amended it to say that only Fijian with Fijian blood are allowed to rule FIJI:
So you see my good EOKA friend what you and EOKA thought and what is reality are 2 different things in politics:
That is politics and one day even you might be able to sit with big name politicians on an equal par and talk politics and not BULL! OR should I say LOGIA TOU KAFENIOU:
Translated: Coffee shop Crap!
EOKA A: They where tricked and died unnecessarily:
EOKA B: They where misguided gangsters:
ENOSIS: Was a dream for people who thought they where Greeks and NOT Cypriots:
A bit like Northern Ireland!
It a long way to the TOP if you want to ROCK & ROLL in politics:
RIP Bon Scott:
PS Let me add one more thing:
Whilst Britain Ruled Cyprus, TURKEYS dream of INVADING Cyprus would of been only that: A DREAM!
What was the famous EOKA B saying my uncle used to say: Oh Yes!
Better a fess (Turkish HAT) than Communism:
He got his wish!

[erolz]

[Kifeas]

[depurple]

Yes all this ENOSIS Crap is great BUT who was going to pay the British for the money they spent on Cyprus infrastructure?
So what SOME Greek Cypriot wanted ENOSIS was NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN and it did not matter who many Communist and Turkish Cypriot and others that the EOKA B had to kill to achieve there ULTIMATE dream:OR should I say Nightmare:
One question for the ENOSIS fanatics:
When have you seen Greek TV showing Cyprus when they say the weather or even mentioning Cyprus:NEVER!
The Greeks don't care:
The ENOSIS Greek Cypriot are more Patriot Greeks THAN the bloody Greeks themselves:
Do you really think that Greece and Turkey give a toss about what happens to Cyprus:
Greece sold Cyprus out many times my friend BUT most EOKA B are too fanatical and one eyed blind to see this FACT!
NOW Turkey is about to sell out the Turkish Cypriot with the EU Wait and SEE!:
As a Cypriot it must be hard for all die hard fanatical ENOSIS Greek Cypriot and TMT Turkish Cypriot who love their mother countries so much they would destroy their OWEN Country Cyprus (And Have) to know sit back and see themselves being sold out by the people they thought loved them?
Like I said before Greece and Turkey don't care about Cyprus:
With one phone call BOTH countries can solve Cyprus in 2 minutes:
You cant tell me if Erogdan rings Talat and tells him to do this and that Talat wont do it?
The same for TPAPA with Greece!
Come on Boys : Wake up! Hallo? Is anyone there?
BUT let me now make you ALL HAPPY LARRY'S:
Hopefully soon ALL of Cyprus will be under the EU and All of Turkey as well and then you can ALL BE ENOSIS with everyone in the EU:
You can say you can ALL BE IN BED TOGETHER AT LAST!
But a word of advice by someone older and wiser!
Keep the Vaseline close by!
CCCCCCCCRRRRRRRIIIIIIKKKKKEEEEYYY!

[Cyprus rules!]

Hey, as far as I can tell, EOKA were fighting for the self determination rights of the Greek Cypriots (Cypriots), which at that time was for Enosis, or union with Greece. I can understand why people wanted Enosis, and I don't think it was for sinister reasons....Although the majority who fought for, helped and supported EOKA, were 'honourable', there was a sinister side to the organization. Unfortunately the leaders tended to be right wing nationalists, who were very against communism. So that small faction, made it not only a fight against colonialism, but also, to a certain extent a fight against 'the communists' (who, I believe disagreed with some of the methods used...). This small 'extremist' faction also killed people they saw as traitors, Greek and Turkish Cypriot alike (people who, they felt were 'working too close with the British'). This is the impression that I've got, but I could be wrong...

[erolz]

[erolz]