WHO ARE THE TURKS

erolz · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:15 am Post subject:

Bananiot asked HammerSkin his opinion. Shall I ask you yours now? What % of Greek Cypriot do YOU think support these kinds of views is?

The question is a valid one. Why not offer your answer to it, rather than just attack (once again) the Greek Cypriot poster who originally asked it for being 'anti Greek Cypriot'?

boomerang · Deputy Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

First of all I find his comment highly offensive and it should have been quarantined with out any questions about it...why are we allowing this kind of degenaration to invade this forum...

Bananiot the hammer is a paid up proud stompfront member...what exactly you think he is gonna tell you?...and what ever he says are we going to take this for gospel and start debating stupidity, that we know it exists in all walks of life?

Yes there will always be a tiny minority in every country that subscribes to the stompfront bullshit...we got them here too...we refer to them as the lost generation.... Laughing

a generation that is so absorbed in material than content...

Now you and I know that the vast majority in Cyprus don't subscribe to the stompfront theory...

And Erol the same can be said in the North...or you think you are immune to it...

I agree with Kifeas on this one...

RudeGal · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:03 am Post subject:

Boomerang and Kifeas, I can see where you are coming from and agree Hammer is a very extreme example to enquire about Greek Cypriots' thinking on Turks, as he is so entrenched in view we are all "barbarians". Yet sadly this is a widely held view among many Greek Cypriot kids (maybe not as extreme as Hammer but...) and it needs to be addressed of it is to be smashed (it is racist and blocks any efforts for peace/unity in Cyprus and beyond). So while Hammer's likely response to Bananiot is highly predictable I understand why B tried - tho in Hammer's case perhaps not really going to attain anything.

And Boomerang, not sure how much time you spend in North CYprus in last 2-3 years or who you hang with (if any people?) but nationalism has been smashed. It is a dirty word with many people currently in power and beyond openly against Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and all examples of nationalism. It's filtered down to kids, mainly due to hard-left teaching unions who have for last 10 years been changing school curriculum and introducing a more global outlook into education. All good. Shame not replicated in South.

A good friend tells me she refuses to send her daughter to State school in South Nicosia due to hatred they get taught about Turks (and kids then able to differentiate between Turks and Turkish Cypriots). She is quite staggered by comments her young nieces/nephews come home with and having been to some school plays, realises the terrible influence education continues to have on negatively shaping young peoples' minds. Another lost generation..

If more Greek Cypriots came to terms with the current state of affairs on their part of the island instead of finding reasons to ignore or excuse it, we would really have a breakthrough and all move forward...

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

RudeGal · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:17 am Post subject:

Bananiot · Deputy Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 1214 Location: Nicosia

Here is my opinion:

100% of EYROKO are sick nationalists
95% of ECOLOGISTS are sick nationalists
95% of DIKO are sick nationalists
90% of EDEK are sick nationalists
75% of DISI are sick nationalists
50% of AKEL are sick nationalists

The above are the parties that are represented in Parliament.

If enosis was an option, 99% of Greek Cypriots would go after it, no matter what the feelings of Turkish Cypriots were.

The present government is greatly responsible for fanning the flames of nationalism. Rudegal is correct about schools. They are the cradle of nationalism. On the contrary, Turkish Cypriot teachers and their trade union is light years ahead of us in this respect.

cypezokyli · Ministerial Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

Kifeas · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:03 am Post subject:

Dream_Merchant · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:53 am Post subject:

Take it easy Kifeas, the guy is hallucinating and he is stating his hallucinations.

I think if you go on the street and ask an average guy if he wants ENOSIS or not you would get not even 10 ( and those 10 wouldn't know what they are talking about because they are either uneducated jobless people or dumb ass fanatics without an inclination of the concept of reality )

A while ago there was a fellow running for presidential elections going around with the nickname "Outopos". Harmless individual really, but his antiques and ideas were so entertaining that he was actually invited to several TV channels for an interview ( at least those TV channels that have nothing better to do with their time ).

What I want to say is that everyone has a right to state an opinion, and also, everyone has a right to believe whatever they want to believe in. However, no matter opinion or belief, facts remain adamant and the fact is that ENOSIS is not on any political or personal agenda from anyone with effective power.

Oh and on topic, who are the Turks? Well HammerSkin put it very bluntly and also insultingly, but fundamentally he is not too far away from the truth. Before you go nailing me to a racism cross let me reword his statement:

"A conglomeration of several tribes of Turkic decent, originating from the Ural-Altay steppes of Central Asia, who started migrating into Asia Minor during the Middle Ages, conquering the indigenous populations they found and eventually establishing a state over the destroyed remains of several indigenous ancient civilisations, assimilating and incorporating customs and cultures from the various peoples they conquered, blending them in a unique manner which is today identified as 'Turkish' "

Obviously I am no historian, and god be witness, this is not a complete and thorough review, but its what Hammerskin is saying, without the insults.

Bananiot · Deputy Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 1214 Location: Nicosia

Kifeas, would the Angloamericans put a schizophrenic on their pay roll? Surely they are not the type to waste good taxpayers' money. Anyhow, you can rest assure that your fascist style aphorisms do not touch me. As long as I live I would stand up and say my piece.

The surge of nationalism in the Greek Cypriot community is very much a reality and only blind people cannot see it. Dream Merchant, you are no different than the other fascist, no matter how eloquently you put it.

boomerang · Deputy Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

Guys instead of fighting each other why not open a new thread and debate as to what your vission for a solution is or where you see Cyprus in 50 years...

I would personally wecome such a discussion/debate...You are both excellent debaters with great insider knowledge of Cyprus...

depurple · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject:

Well Said boomer!
Bana 99% of Greek Cypriot may go for ENOSIS but not Cypriots like me:
The best way to have ENOSIS is to piss off and live in Greece and do everyone a favor:
Cheers
PS that applies also to the Turkish Cypriot who think like Turks!
GO to TURKEY and leave us alone!
PS Again: That is if Turkey and Greece want NUTS like that!
Because at the moment Turkey and Greece are working together they haven't got time for all this patriot BULLSHIT!
They have families to feed and educate my friends and this patriot brainwashing will lead to there future demise!

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

city · Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject:

Bananiot · Deputy Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 1214 Location: Nicosia

City, you have never been through the 15 years of the Greek grind mill school. Pavlov's dog would salivate at the sound of the bell. The sentiments enosis would arouse, if it was a feasible option, would create an effect one hundred times bigger than the tsunami that hit Indonesis a year and a half ago.

DSL do not comment on things you cannot comprehend. You may ask for an explanation and I am sure someone will rush to give it to you. Here is a tip. If someone accuses you of being a paid agent of the Angloamericans, because he does not like what you say, then he must be driven by fascist instincts. Are you surprised? His (and yours) protege, President Papadopoulos, accused 100 thousand Greek Cypriots of getting paid by the Americans to vote Yes in the referendum and when he was asked for proof he laid it all down to the "ambient atmosphere". This is also fascist, and beyond.