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MicAtCyp
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| would someone please explain to dp what the words, "race", "ethnicity" and "nationality" means......... |
So the 4 sons you got with your German wife, dear Turk of Cyprus of Britain belong to the race of……? |
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repulsewarrior
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At least dp understands that Cypriots deserve the respect that the world gave us with our inclusion as a Nation among other Nations, of people. You on the other hand are a more interested in Turkey and its desires.
You are not a Turkish Cypriot because your attachment is to neither Cyprus or Cypriots of Turkish origin. You should say that regretfully you are not a Turk because you are still stuck with a passport from somewhere else.
P.S. Very nice presentation of your arguments, above. Thank-you, for the change.
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MicAtCyp
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| The main reason why the two countries rejected the EU Constituion was that they didn't want 70million Muslim Turks running around in the EU, so how can you say that the main reason is not religion. |
Look ED, did you make a survey among the "no vote" of those two countries to conclude that the biggest part of that no vote is due to Turkey being a mouslim country? So how can you make this generalisation? Its like telling me that the major reason the Greek Cypriots voted no to the Anan Plan was Paps tears, whereas the actual impact might have been 0.001% out of 76%
The truth is the matter of mouslim, had an effect indeed in those 2 countries, and from some analyses I read in the past that effect was in the range of 5-10%.
Like I said before the real reason why Turkey will not become a full member is another. Turkey is too big and if it joins it will have more political seats in EU than Germany itself. How can Germany who is actually financing all Europe accept a poor country actually have more power than her who gives all the money? How can the German-French axis accept to be put politically down by the British-Turkish axis?
And yes I have no doubt some countries-if need to- will in the end put the matter of Turkey becoming full member on referendum and exploit that 5-10% negative feeling against muslims to get the balance tilt towards "no".
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| Turkey has already said that it will not accept anything less than Full membership. Personally I think Turkey should turn it's back to the EU and look for a partnership with Russia, China, Pakistan and the OIC. The EU might be very good for Turkey at the beginning but not on the long run. |
Yes Turkey said that. So? Slowly slowly she will learn to be more carefull when she opens her mouth. For your information there is no way going back for anyone, I mean when Turkey reaches the last step, she cannot throw everything in the air and say "forget it it never happened". Neither the EU can do that. Too much investment already, too many laws have abided, too many regulations, too many "harmonisations" too many of everything. But the fact still remains Turkey cannot be a full member. What do you think will happen? Both sides will keep silent to save face and the whole process stops there. You think that point will not have benefits for Turkey and the EU? Man I tell you one thing. If Cyprus had not this political problem we would be lucky to stay at that point as well.
I wouldn’t comment on your personal thoughts about partnership with Russia etc as I will need hours of writting.With Russia or China ED? Are you serious? Have you ever thought what uncle Sam would say about this?
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Actually I see this as a Turkey's asset instead of liability.
EU will be trying so hard by then to prove the whole theory of "clash of civilizations" wrong...... |
You have a point here. On the other hand, if lets say France puts the matter on referendum the question to the people will not be if they want a muslim country in. The question will be if they want Turkey in. See the difference? |
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pg
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So Eu will have to decide where its border to radical Islam starts one day. They will have a choice as Turkey's southern borders, or Greece's Eastern borders. Turkey will presented as either as a buffer in the EU or as a enemy just outside borders of Greece. |
This is actually the only real argument for Turkey even today. Basically, Greece argues that it is safer to have Turkey in the EU than outside - since then it will be possible to control Turkey. Countries further away sort of agrees, since if one EU state is in trouble it in the ends means trouble for all of us.
The 'Muslim' card is one that is played mainly by Turkey; 'Let us in otherwise we'll become crazy Muslims'.
All boils down to that the only reason to have Turkey in the EU is that it can be controlled better in the union than outside. (In a way it is even an extension of Ataturk's thoughts...)
However, why does Turkey want to be controlled?
To me it seems most Turks has not really thought of that yet. Instead it is just on autopilot going west without too much consideration being allowed.
The scary part is that most Cypriots are betting on the Turks staying on course... |
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depurple
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The only problem stopping Turkeys EU membership is Cyprus: So don't all kid yourselves:
1:The EU wants Turkey because they can use it to fight other Muslims countries like Iran and Syria ectect:
2:Also for the cheap labor:
3:And to relocate there pollution industries to Turkey:
Turkey will be the Indonesia and Taiwan of the EU:
BUT the Cyprus problem is the anchor rope around Turkey: How can the EU let Turkey become a member when they know it is occupying EU land(Nth Cyprus)
If Cyprus says to the EU we want Turkey in the EU NO problems BUT Cyprus say we need Turkey to do these 3 things then Turkey will have to do them or they are out:
So Cyprus has Turkey key to the EU like it or NOT: There is NO Christian Club or other huddles there is only one hurdle........................ Cyprus:
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Donald Keogh
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So Cyprus has Turkey key to the EU like it or NOT: There is NO Christian Club or other huddles there is only one hurdle........................ Cyprus:
Believe me: |
...'or other huddles'.....
I take it you mean 'cuddles' ?
I am Framing your Batman posting, an Italian friend found it very amusing... |
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Eric Dayi
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| E Dayi wrote: |
| The main reason why the two countries rejected the EU Constituion was that they didn't want 70million Muslim Turks running around in the EU, so how can you say that the main reason is not religion. |
Look ED, did you make a survey among the "no vote" of those two countries to conclude that the biggest part of that no vote is due to Turkey being a mouslim country? So how can you make this generalisation? Its like telling me that the major reason the Greek Cypriots voted no to the Anan Plan was Paps tears, whereas the actual impact might have been 0.001% out of 76%
The truth is the matter of mouslim, had an effect indeed in those 2 countries, and from some analyses I read in the past that effect was in the range of 5-10%.
Like I said before the real reason why Turkey will not become a full member is another. Turkey is too big and if it joins it will have more political seats in EU than Germany itself. How can Germany who is actually financing all Europe accept a poor country actually have more power than her who gives all the money? How can the German-French axis accept to be put politically down by the British-Turkish axis?
And yes I have no doubt some countries-if need to- will in the end put the matter of Turkey becoming full member on referendum and exploit that 5-10% negative feeling against muslims to get the balance tilt towards "no". |
It's funny Mic, the reports that I read and what I have seen on the News said exactly the opposite to what you claim. Almost all of the "No" voters had the same to say "We have already too many Muslims in the EU, we do not want any more".
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| Turkey has already said that it will not accept anything less than Full membership. Personally I think Turkey should turn it's back to the EU and look for a partnership with Russia, China, Pakistan and the OIC. The EU might be very good for Turkey at the beginning but not on the long run. |
Yes Turkey said that. So? Slowly slowly she will learn to be more carefull when she opens her mouth. For your information there is no way going back for anyone, I mean when Turkey reaches the last step, she cannot throw everything in the air and say "forget it it never happened". Neither the EU can do that. Too much investment already, too many laws have abided, too many regulations, too many "harmonisations" too many of everything. But the fact still remains Turkey cannot be a full member. What do you think will happen? Both sides will keep silent to save face and the whole process stops there. You think that point will not have benefits for Turkey and the EU? Man I tell you one thing. If Cyprus had not this political problem we would be lucky to stay at that point as well.[/quote]
So you really think that Turkey will comcede to everything that is demanded from it and never say "we've had enough" and turn away? You are wrong Mic, very wrong.
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| I wouldn’t comment on your personal thoughts about partnership with Russia etc as I will need hours of writting.With Russia or China ED? Are you serious? Have you ever thought what uncle Sam would say about this? |
Uncle Sam doesn't always get what he wants, Turkey proved that when it said no to the US in the Iraq war. The fact is that the US and Turkey need each other right now and will do most things to please each other.
Don't you think that Turkey knows very well that the only reason why the US "loves" Turkey is because of it's strategic position and not because they "love" Turks?
The fact also is that unless the US finds another ally in the region to build new bases in or Turkey is not accepted as a Full EU member, the US will not be able to stop Turkey from looking for other alternatives. I don't think the US will even try very hard and will blame the EU for the brake up of the talks or at least blame those countries who vetoed the accession.
No, unless the whole attitude and hate of Muslims is completely changed Turkey will never be allowed to join an all Christian Club no matter how big, small, rich or poor it is. |
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Eric Dayi
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| The only problem stopping Turkeys EU membership is Cyprus: So don't all kid yourselves: |
Yes dp, we know that the so-called "Republic of Cyprus" is trying to blackmail Turkey to accept the Greek Cypriots as the sole rulers of the Cyprus and also to accept that Cyprus is a Greek island with a Turkish Cypriot minority.
The question is, do you really think that Turkey will give into blackmailers demands?
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1:The EU wants Turkey because they can use it to fight other Muslims
countries like Iran and Syria ectect: |
They can do that even without being in the EU.
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2:Also for the cheap labor:
3:And to relocate there pollution industries to Turkey:
Turkey will be the Indonesia and Taiwan of the EU: |
Well yes, that shows how much you know dp.
The fact is that if Turkey joins the EU the living standards and wages will eventually be the same as the rest of the EU countries and there will be no more "cheap labor", what will the EU do then dp, accept another Muslim country into the EU for cheap labour and then another after that and so on?
Why don't the EU take their "pollution industries" to Greece or Cyprus dp, any ideas?
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BUT the Cyprus problem is the anchor rope around Turkey: How can the EU let Turkey become a member when they know it is occupying EU land(Nth Cyprus)
If Cyprus says to the EU we want Turkey in the EU NO problems BUT Cyprus say we need Turkey to do these 3 things then Turkey will have to do them or they are out: |
This is nothing but blackmail of the worst kind dp.
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| So Cyprus has Turkey key to the EU like it or NOT: There is NO Christian Club or other huddles there is only one hurdle........................ Cyprus: |
"give us a "huddle" dp. 
Millions might not believe you dp, and I am one of them.  |
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depurple
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Eric and Don I am flattered that you are reading my postings and I hope that you are learning for them as well: Thanks you:
First questions to DON:
Can Turkey join the EU while occupying Cyprus?
Let me know what the EU charter and regulations say and not your own outside opinion:
Also Don Can Cyprus VETO Turkey?
Eric (The BOLT) your next:
Cyprus does not have to blackmail Turkey it is only trying to make Turkey become a European Thinking country and not a Middle East thinking country so you should thank CYPRUS:
It might take a bit of time but in the end it might be worth it:
Isn't it better if Turkey fought for the EU against another Muslim country: Muslim against Muslim: The British way of fighting:
Well Turkey will be tested one day very soon:It failed in Iraq BUT next time who knows?
As for the cheap labor in Turkey ending? That is what they said about Mexico and I was there in 1983 and again last year and man that cheap labor has doubled in 20 years:
Eric you, me and Don will be long gone but not Turkeys cheap labor:
If I was in Cyprus I would also invest in Turkey:
About the anchor rope around the neck! I should on included that Cyprus is also an anchor rope around Greece and Britain neck as well:
Eric don't mix human rights and UN resolutions with Blackmail:
Don't use that what Israel Holocaust?
What Armenian genocide?
What Kurdish Nation?
What Cyprus invasion?
MATE it wont work with the EU:
Eric Cyprus is the Key believe it or not and don't threaten Cyprus the EU is watching:Waiting for Turkey to stuff up:
Cant you get it through your thick head that after 9/11 the US has changed its foreign policy:
Look at what is happening in Pakistan:
The USA will support India NOW: WHY?
So don't think that the USA will run to support Turkey: Kissinger recently said that the USA has shifted its policy against ALL Muslim Countries:
Why did he say that? Because he is a Jew?
No because he helps make the policies:
Turkey needs the EU: The EU does not need Turkey: So Eric stop dreaming: Many like you say that Turkey should not join the EU: It should join Russia and China: Don't make me laugh: Russia wants to join the EU and Russia will not join Turkey In 1 million years because all my Russian comrades say the The Turks are helping the Chechen's and Azerbaijan:
As for China I have been dealing and importing from China since 1976 and ALL my Chinese friends ALL know about Cyprus and they definitely know about Turkey: China wants nothing to do with Turkey:
So ERIC: Ni HO Ma! and Toy Sow!
Eric I have been to China 6 times and will be there soon again:
You should see: Xian: Nanjing: Shandong:Tianjin: Gungdong:
Eric if you haven't seen China you missing out BOY:
They have 10 different languages and 10 different ethnic races BUT are all Proud to be Chinese ONLY: |
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Eric Dayi
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Eric and Don I am flattered that you are reading my postings and I hope that you are learning for them as well: Thanks you:
First questions to DON:
Can Turkey join the EU while occupying Cyprus?
Let me know what the EU charter and regulations say and not your own outside opinion:
Also Don Can Cyprus VETO Turkey?
Eric (The BOLT) your next:
Cyprus does not have to blackmail Turkey it is only trying to make Turkey become a European Thinking country and not a Middle East thinking country so you should thank CYPRUS:
It might take a bit of time but in the end it might be worth it:
Isn't it better if Turkey fought for the EU against another Muslim country: Muslim against Muslim: The British way of fighting:
Well Turkey will be tested one day very soon:It failed in Iraq BUT next time who knows?
As for the cheap labor in Turkey ending? That is what they said about Mexico and I was there in 1983 and again last year and man that cheap labor has doubled in 20 years:
Eric you, me and Don will be long gone but not Turkeys cheap labor:
If I was in Cyprus I would also invest in Turkey:
About the anchor rope around the neck! I should on included that Cyprus is also an anchor rope around Greece and Britain neck as well:
Eric don't mix human rights and UN resolutions with Blackmail:
Don't use that what Israel Holocaust?
What Armenian genocide?
What Kurdish Nation?
What Cyprus invasion?
MATE it wont work with the EU:
Eric Cyprus is the Key believe it or not and don't threaten Cyprus the EU is watching:Waiting for Turkey to stuff up:
Cant you get it through your thick head that after 9/11 the US has changed its foreign policy:
Look at what is happening in Pakistan:
The USA will support India NOW: WHY?
So don't think that the USA will run to support Turkey: Kissinger recently said that the USA has shifted its policy against ALL Muslim Countries:
Why did he say that? Because he is a Jew?
No because he helps make the policies:
Turkey needs the EU: The EU does not need Turkey: So Eric stop dreaming: Many like you say that Turkey should not join the EU: It should join Russia and China: Don't make me laugh: Russia wants to join the EU and Russia will not join Turkey In 1 million years because all my Russian comrades say the The Turks are helping the Chechen's and Azerbaijan:
As for China I have been dealing and importing from China since 1976 and ALL my Chinese friends ALL know about Cyprus and they definitely know about Turkey: China wants nothing to do with Turkey:
So ERIC: Ni HO Ma! and Toy Sow!
Eric I have been to China 6 times and will be there soon again:
You should see: Xian: Nanjing: Shandong:Tianjin: Gungdong:
Eric if you haven't seen China you missing out BOY:
They have 10 different languages and 10 different ethnic races BUT are all Proud to be Chinese ONLY: |
You come out with some great classics dp and there's no one that can match you. I take my hat off to you, relly I do. Can't you do the Batman one again please, that was a real classic comedy show.
Please, do another Batman episode for us.
Go on, I'll even give you the incentive for it.
I AM NOT JUST A "CYPRIOT", I AM A PROUD TURKISH CYPRIOT |
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MicAtCyp
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| It's funny Mic, the reports that I read and what I have seen on the News said exactly the opposite to what you claim. Almost all of the "No" voters had the same to say "We have already too many Muslims in the EU, we do not want any more". |
ED are you forgetting that the voting was for the Constitution and not for having Muslims in? I dont doubt you heard some voters on the TV news attributing their no to the muslim factor. I do doubt though you read reports saying that the muslim factor had an influence of more than 5-10%.
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| So you really think that Turkey will comcede to everything that is demanded from it and never say "we've had enough" and turn away? You are wrong Mic, very wrong. |
I did not say it will concede to everything. I said there is no way going back or throwing everything in the air as if nothing happened when in the end she is told clearly that ‘its upto here".
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| The fact also is that unless the US finds another ally in the region to build new bases in or Turkey is not accepted as a Full EU member, the US will not be able to stop Turkey from looking for other alternatives. |
It is for these other alternatives that you yourself proposed that I talked about.Namely Russia and China. So you think the US will not be able to stop that?
Do you think the Americans and the IMFs will wait for eternity to get the billions Turkey owes them ED? What would you do if someone owed you billions and he is unable to pay you back, and instead of taking up his responsibilities and follow the path you showed him, he turns to your competitors? |
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depurple
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OK Eric one for you: You make me laugh why not return the complement:
Holy Cyprus Batman!
What is it Robin?
Holy 30 Years Batman!
What is it Robin?
Holy two Cyprus's Batman?
Two Cyprus's Robin?
HOLY three Cyprus's Batman!
Three Robin?
Holy Four Cyprus's Batman!
WHAT ROBIN?
Holy Greek, Turkish, British & Cypriot Cyprus BATMAN!
How can this little island have four Identities ROBIN!
What do we do BATMAN?
Robin settle down and let me remind you that this great national America has 250 million and we are one and that is why we want to bring peace and democracy to the world:
Thanks Batman I forgot!
NOW Robin! TO THE BAT CAVE and get out the BAT MAP and we must hurray and HELP these crazy mixed up people find there true identity before they divided themselves into small pieces:
HOLY EU & UN confusion Batman!
So as Batman and Robin make there way to the Bat Cave little do they know what is waiting for them:
Will Batman Find the answer in the Bat Map?
What will Robin find another Cyprus hidden somewhere?
Is there One, Two, Three, Four or MORE Cyprus's!!!
Stay Tuned my Bat Friends to find out!
Don't touch that Bat Computer!
Same Bat Forum!
Same Bat Posting!
24 Hour from NOW!
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da BATMAN>>>>>>>>>BATMAN>>>>>>BATMAN |
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