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Viewpoint
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Mukhtar/is
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| Sure we have plenty of time we can wait for another 32+ years |
What 32 years? I give it a maximum life 10-15 years. Within that period the Turkish Cypriots will negotiate their return to Republic of Cyprus.
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| Can you actually state what has actually started to happen? |
The boiling.
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| you guys are a joke in the EU … |
So I understand you wouldn’t jump up and down to be in our position, would you?
By the way may I remind you VP that the entering of Cyprus in the EU was actually a deal. Without it Turkey would never start accession talks. Can you now see the whole procedure evolving? |
I don't want to burst your bubble but the EU solution you seek is not going to materialize the sooner Greek Cypriots realize this fact the better. Your dream of us returning to 1960 is not just a non starter for most Turkish Cypriots but also your own leadership, they have been approach and far as I am aware have rejected such a notion of giving Turkish Cypriots back their rights. |
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Mikkie your pulling no pucnches on this one !
I can already see thousands of trembling Turkish Cypriot's at the besieged Gates of Girne
Or are you just an arch prodagandist for the Greek Cypriot cause ?
Worried & Wondering.... |
Donald,
To make out from what I say that I am a propagandist is quite simply wrong.
The Turkish Cypriot's actually hold the key to the solution to the Cyprus Problem. Unfortunately they key at the moment is being held tightly by Turkey. Turkey is using the key to further her own national interests. And even more unfortunately, the Turkish Cypriot's are quite happy to let Turkey look after that key.
Only a few enlightened Turkish Cypriot's can see this. For example, Akinci is one such person who supports the return to the 1960 constitution. He is battling to get the rights of the Turkish Cypriot's back.
Blind faith in Turkey will lead the Turkish Cypriot community to disaster and the Turkish Cypriot community will ultimately have themselves to blame. It seems to me Donald, that you cannot see the bigger picture. It seems that you also have tunnel vision and perhaps you are not worried about this but you ARE worried about when a fair and viable solution to the problem is found! |
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| Thanks for the support MicAtCyp |
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Eric Dayi
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I just find it amazing that many Turkish Cypriot's don't really have a real idea of what is going on around them. The blinkers are fully up! Tunnel vision is the order of the day. The international community turning the illegal into legal? Are you guys serious?
People seem to confuse laws and the constitution! The constitution has NEVER changed. All its provisions are still valid, and its the fact that Turkey is in continual violation of our constitution that we find ourselves where we are today. The passing of laws and the provisions of the constitution are two separate things.
The Turkish Cypriot's should be VERY worried for their future. They should be VERY worried that they allow Turkey to talk on their behalf when dealing with their interests abroad. The Turkish Cypriot's are slowly but surely being sideline and compromised. The Turkish Cypriot's MUST wake up to what is happening to them before it is too late. Cutting off you nose to spite your face has become a skill that is particulalry well employed by the leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community! |
Ive lost hope and stopped caring. We have lost Cyprus as far as Im concerned, we might as well let the Turks have it. England is our new homeland. |
Bullika, Cyprus as it was in 1960 only lasted for 3 short years and was lost in 1963. Ever since then the Greek Cypriot's have been trying very hard to make Cyprus their own and their own only but the only thing that came out of their wish is the division of the island.
If a house is inherited by two or more siblings that house belongs to all not just the stongest. The Greek Cypriot's being the strongest of the two communities at the time tried to steal that house and make it their own with the help of 20,000 soldiers from Greece. It was only a stronger, force, Turkey, that stopped them from making their dream come true. If they hadn't there would be very little or no Turkish Cypriots left in Cyprus right now. How many Turks were there in Crete and how many are there now? |
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Eric Dayi
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
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Mikkie your pulling no pucnches on this one !
I can already see thousands of trembling Turkish Cypriot's at the besieged Gates of Girne
Or are you just an arch prodagandist for the Greek Cypriot cause ?
Worried & Wondering.... |
Donald,
To make out from what I say that I am a propagandist is quite simply wrong.
The Turkish Cypriot's actually hold the key to the solution to the Cyprus Problem. Unfortunately they key at the moment is being held tightly by Turkey. Turkey is using the key to further her own national interests. And even more unfortunately, the Turkish Cypriot's are quite happy to let Turkey look after that key.
Only a few enlightened Turkish Cypriot's can see this. For example, Akinci is one such person who supports the return to the 1960 constitution. He is battling to get the rights of the Turkish Cypriot's back.
Blind faith in Turkey will lead the Turkish Cypriot community to disaster and the Turkish Cypriot community will ultimately have themselves to blame. It seems to me Donald, that you cannot see the bigger picture. It seems that you also have tunnel vision and perhaps you are not worried about this but you ARE worried about when a fair and viable solution to the problem is found! |
Everybody has tunnel vision, except the Greek Cypriot's of course.  |
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Eric,
The blinkers are particularly tight around your eyes. Perhaps you have pinhole vision as opposed to tunnel vision!
In todays world, in todays Europe, in the todays world where nothing escapes the mass media, you tlak about Crete and use that as an example of what may happen in Cypurs!
Cypurs is now an EU member. It is bound by treaty to respect the rights every single person that is a citizen of the Republic. Disenfranchising people in order to force them to leave just will not happen.
Keep singing the praises of Turkey! But will you be singing when the Turkish Cypriot's become a meaningless minority amongst Turks. Ah yes, of course, you ARE a Turk! |
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Eric Dayi
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
Eric,
The blinkers are particularly tight around your eyes. Perhaps you have pinhole vision as opposed to tunnel vision!
In todays world, in todays Europe, in the todays world where nothing escapes the mass media, you tlak about Crete and use that as an example of what may happen in Cypurs!
Cypurs is now an EU member. It is bound by treaty to respect the rights every single person that is a citizen of the Republic. Disenfranchising people in order to force them to leave just will not happen.
Keep singing the praises of Turkey! But will you be singing when the Turkish Cypriot's become a meaningless minority amongst Turks. Ah yes, of course, you ARE a Turk! |
You got that right mikkie2, I am a Turk, a Turkish Cypriot.
At the moment it suits your purpose as the majority in Cyprus to try and convince me that I am a "cypriot only" but we'll talk again when in 10-15 years time the EU will fall apart like a house of cards.
Oh and BTW, is Greece an EU member? Someone told me that they are, but I maybe I misunderstood him. Maybe they are not in the EU and maybe that is the reason why the Turks in Greece are not allowed to call themsleves Turks by Greek law which is endorsed by the EU rules and regulations. I think I read somewhere that last year the Greek High court ruled that the Greek law forbidding the Turks to identify themselves as Turks were legal in everyway but again maybe I was just dreaming? |
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Dhavlos
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why are you talking about greece?! greek laws do not matter to cyprus!!!!
and the EU falling apart ? me no think so. it just wont happen, since all the countries are so intertwinned economically and politically, and the supranational element of the EU (the commission/Council etc) will never let it disintegrate. The EU is built on compromise and consensus...so the break up of it will be very hard to do! |
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Eric, Eric, Eric!
Basing the future of the Turkish Cypriot's on what may or may not happen 15 yeras down the line is rather foolish don't you think?
Predicting the future is a dangerous game! |
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Eric Dayi
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
| why are you talking about greece?! greek laws do not matter to cyprus!!!! |
Why am I talking about Greece? Well, mikkie2 said that everyones rights are guaranteed by the EU so I refer to Greece and the Turks who live in Greece as an example of how things are "guaranteed" in the EU, that's why I am talking about Greece. And yes, the Greek laws do matter to Cyprus if we are all Europeans, or don't you think so?
Look, it's already happening in Cyprus, the Greek Cypriot;s now all of a sudden have found their "Cypriotness" and are trying to forbid me from calling myself a Turkish Cypriot which is what is happening in Greece. Calling myself a Cypriot Muslim is no different to the Turks who by law must call themsleves Greek Muslims in Greece. Officially there are no Turks in Greece only Greek Muslims and this is what the Greek Cypriot's are trying to do in Cyprus too and they expect me not to arguee about it. LOL, that is a joke.
In Cyprus there are officially two different communities, one is Greek and the other Turksih Cypriots, and no one is going to stop me from identifiying myself as a Turkish Cypriot.
I am British by nationality but my ethnicity is Turkish Cypriot.
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| and the EU falling apart ? me no think so. it just wont happen, since all the countries are so intertwinned economically and politically, and the supranational element of the EU (the commission/Council etc) will never let it disintegrate. The EU is built on compromise and consensus...so the break up of it will be very hard to do! |
Dhavlos, wait and see. |
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depurple
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Eric go and live in Turkey and let the Cypriots rule themselves: Thanks for reminding us that you are TURKISH but don't call me a Greek:
But in every country there will always be an Eric:
As for the trembling T?C out side Kyrenia Castle there were the trembling G/C outside Dekelia:
But that is the point we decided to call ourselves Turks and Greek and NOT Cypriots and that is why we have 2 parts and maybe one day 3 if the British ask for there rights:
Eric if most of the G?C thought ENOSIS was the way why did they fight each other?
That did not happen in Crete: There was a decision made by all the Cretans and they took that decision:
BUT in Cyprus a few FOOLS wanted Enosis and decided to kill theses who were against it BUT they failed:
Theses same Fools new Turkey would intervene and they new Turkey had a huge friendly army:
But still went ahead anyway But Eric I wounder what theses fool were promised and by who?
WAS it Greece? Was It Turkey? Was it the USA? Was it Britain OR was it because they thought they were Greek and not Cypriot:
Maybe tomorrow we will do the same with Britain kill each other so the Queens National Anthem is played at the Commonwealth Games because I am proud to by English Australian!!!!!!! |
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Eric Dayi
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Eric, Eric, Eric!
Basing the future of the Turkish Cypriot's on what may or may not happen 15 yeras down the line is rather foolish don't you think?
Predicting the future is a dangerous game! |
Is it really? Don't you do that all the time? I mean predicting the future of the Turkish Cypriots?
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| Blind faith in Turkey will lead the Turkish Cypriot community to disaster and the Turkish Cypriot community will ultimately have themselves to blame. |
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| Is it really? Don't you do that all the time? I mean predicting the future of the Turkish Cypriots? |
I base what I say on what is actually happening now Eric! |
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depurple
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Eric you don't understand: I am the one with the crystal ball:
In the future they will be NO TURKISH CYPRIOTS and NO GREEK CYPRIOTS like it or NOT:
The TMT & ENOSIS dream will be over:
There will only be European country of Origin Cyprus:
PS I like it when the Turks Cypriots say the Greek achieved what they wanted to do with putting Cyprus in the EU:
What will you say if Turkey gets in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus stays out?
Better still if Turkey (What a Joke gets in to the EU) The Ottoman will achieve what they wanted all Europe: This is all kids bedtime stories that our grandparents told us:
Eric it is 2006 and Cyprus is part of the EU and Turkey is not:
Eric are you there?
I think it was you who said Turkey doesn't want to be part of the EU: Are you Sure Eric?
We will find out very soon:
So what are you Eric Still a Turk trapped in Cyprus or a European living in Cyprus?
That what the passports will say: |
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Dhavlos
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
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| and the EU falling apart ? me no think so. it just wont happen, since all the countries are so intertwinned economically and politically, and the supranational element of the EU (the commission/Council etc) will never let it disintegrate. The EU is built on compromise and consensus...so the break up of it will be very hard to do! |
Dhavlos, wait and see. |
you cant just say that!! give reasons why....i gave my reasons why not... |
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