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Kifeas Warnings : 6 Ministerial

Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 2733 Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
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what rights dont they have?
do i hear pot, kettle and black in this statement? |
You claim that they have rights, then I am asking you to tell me about these rights.
Like, are they allowed to buy land from a Greek Cypriot?
Are they allowed to run for government positions?
Are they allowed to move into their houses without having to go to court and wait 3-4 years?
Education?
We are talking about the "legality" of the so-called "Republic of Cyprus" and not the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus CTD, can you answer these questions? |
Yes, the 1,000 T/Cs living in the south are allowed to run for government positions –one of them is already a candidate in the next parliament elections; Yes they are allowed to hold state professional positions –two of them are state run university professors, 3 of them are state run TV journalists, 3 are doctors in public hospitals, my physical education teacher in high school in Pafos was a Turkish Cypriot and many more are employed in various other government sponsored organizations and departments such as the ministry of Labor and the Ministry of transportation and works, etc; yes they are allowed to buy property in the south from anyone –my ex-PE teacher and a friend of mine to this date, who is also an acting referee in first division volleyball games in the south has recently bought from a G/C in Pafos a house together with a 3 donum land; yes they are allowed to have education in Greek language state schools or if they choose so in a Turkish language school in Limassol where the majority lives (regardless if in the case of the Limassol Turkish language schooling, this option was turned down by them alone;) and finally, yes they are entitled to all other benefits that G/Cs normally enjoy such as free health care, unemployment pensions, retirement pensions and all other social insurance benefits.
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Eric Dayi Warnings : 5 Deputy

Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 1017 Location: ESSEX
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[quote="cannedmoose"]Eric, it is legal because the rest of the world (excluding Turkey) deem it to be so.
So the world can turn something illegal into legal.
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| Legal provisions remain in place for participation by Turkish Cypriots in the governmental system and Turkish Cypriots legally have the same rights as Greek Cypriots in participating. I'm not sure about your assertion that Turkish Cypriots are not allowed to buy land in the Republic of Cyprus, I'd need to hear from others whether that is the case or not, I'd be surprised if it was. |
If you do a search on google you will find that the Greek Cypriot's passed a law in 1974 forbidding any Greek Cypriot to sell their lands to any Turkish Cypriot. This was "magically" found at the bottom of a draw when after the referendum a couple of Greek Cypriot's sold their lands in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to Turkish Cypriot's.
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The rest of the world doesn't "recognise Greek Cypriots as the sole rulers of Cyprus", but it does recognise the current administration of the Republic of Cyprus essentially as a caretaker administration of the rightful government, with provisions kept in place for a unified community government in the future. Had the Greek Cypriot authorities removed all of the 1960 provisions and junked the 1960 constitution as other members seem to be advocating, then it would be almost impossible for them to claim to be the successors of the rightful order. But as it stands, legality is in the eyes of the international community, and they say that the Republic of Cyprus is legal and the 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' is not. |
moose, untill last year I believe (not really sure) the Turkish Cypriot's who live in the so-called "Republic of Cyprus" were not even allowed to vote in the elections. This was only changed recently because some Turkish Cypriot's threatened with going to court. So as they were not even allowed to vote they were not allowed to run for governmental positions like the Vice president or even lower posotions. This only meant that what the Greek Cypriot Government were/are still the sole rulers of the so-called "Republic of Cyprus". In it's present situation it is/should not be allowed to be represented as the "Republic of Cyprus". But like I said, the super powers have the power to turn illegal into legal and vice versa. So the chances of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus becoming legal is realistic. |
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depurple Warnings : 1 Ministerial

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2880 Location: Australia
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Eric are you dreaming again:
The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will never become a legal state or country: And don't give we are already one bull:
Eric calm down you Turk living in Cyprus:
To do this the UN will have to recognize Taiwan and other illegal rebel states:
Also everyone in the EU is debating what Turkey did during the cease fire in 1974: So don't hold you breath my Cypriot Turk for recognition:
You and your mother Turkey can jump up and down threaten and try to play Mr Big BUT it wont work with the EU:Watch and learn:
Also ERIC what will happen in the future when Cyprus gets the EU presidency??? By then you might be only a Cypriot (What a joke):
But Eric you never cease to amaze me you ask about all the benefits the Republic of Cyprus should be giving to the T?C (For your Eric) when the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has given NOTHING to any G?C:Not one single thing:
But I expect something stupid like that from you not being a TRUE Cypriot! |
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MicAtCyp Warnings : 1 Senior Villager

Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 313
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| Dayi wrote: |
| moose, untill last year I believe (not really sure) the Turkish Cypriot's who live in the so-called "Republic of Cyprus" were not even allowed to vote in the elections. |
Read the constitution. The Turkish Cypriots are not allowed to vote for Greek Cypriots and vice versa.
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| This was only changed recently because some Turkish Cypriot's threatened with going to court. |
They did not just threaten. They actually went to ECHR and they won.And we actually smiled, you know why? Because we lost a case in which we were trying to protect your own overinflated rights of 1960.
The EU is actually pushing us to unilatterally change the constitution, and if we do that you will end up losing all your rights of the 1960 constitution and become a simple minority. Instead of doing that we just allowed them to participate in Greek Cypriot elections, which still is unconstitutional but no Greek Cypriot till now complained/and or went to court.
Furthermore the few Turkish Cypriots who now live in the free areas dont constitute the Turkish Cypriot community but a tiny part of the Turkish Cypriot community. This part cannot have the political rights of the community, because its a tiny minority even less than the Maronites
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| But like I said, the super powers have the power to turn illegal into legal and vice versa. So the chances of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus becoming legal is realistic. |
The only power that matters in this region is the EU being the new rising Economic giant of the World. Not China, not the US.They are too far away.The EU is juuust tolerating the turning of a part of legal Republic of Cyprus, one of its member states, into an illegal pseudo state. So the chances are that the pseudo finally evaporates. Want to wait and see this happening? Be my guest. It already started. |
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Ferforge Warnings : 2 Senior Villager

Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Gazi Baf (originally) Girne (after all)
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well, the logic of events is as follows:
eu had a mistake to accept membership to greek rep.ofCyprus (they call it half membership in eu) without the legal consent of the turkish community, which holds legal veto right in the governmental structure of common Republic of Cyprus, stemming from international agreements.
now, Turkish cypriots rights donot vanish because of the magical eu excuse to this old and boring greek cypriot intention to lower Turkish Cypriots position to a minority. whatever alteration or decoration you make to your constitution, it doesnot bind us...
so when you goto a court, assessment begins at point 0 rights of us which is 1960, not from today, after the 40 decades long burglary and constitutional rape of greek cypriots.
simple isn't it...? |
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MicAtCyp Warnings : 1 Senior Villager

Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 313
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Ferforge,
Where was Denktash when we were almost begging him to let a delegation of Turkish Cypriots take part at the negotiations with the EU?
Second:Not a single clause of the 1960 constitution has ever changed. What actually happened is a lot of laws-which presumably are constitutional. 20,000 pages of laws... All these laws were examined by your lawyers during the Anan plan. 19,999 pages were already accepted by your own lawyers!! |
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repulsewarrior
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Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 2152 Location: a cypriot in canada
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Land is shared. In my village, in Cyprus, work on this land is shared communally. My neighbour is Turkish speaking, but this does not change the fact that down the road there is a population of Turkophones, where I am the minority, and Greek is very little spoken. Cyprus, before 1955 was not as complex, villages became distinctive because they were self sustaining, working cooperatively, and in relative isolation.
Nothing, it seems, is more important than the land. Flags have been made, around the world, to define these territories and the principals they stand for. But in Cyprus, the bigger problem looms unnoticed. Can we expect Nationalism to be defined ethnically, divisively, non-inclusively, ignoring Injustice and against Basic Human Rights (which are universal and inalienable)? Can we expect a better end for other hostilities worldwide, if we abandon the notions of Human progress, that we all share.
Nation is a form sovereignty where people of diverse origin and character can express themselves, as one, in exchange with other peoples, called Nations who support, in their customs, the same Universal ideals.
The bases, could be NATO, and, as a member of the EU, if we were most soundly represented, with a central government that is no longer disfunctional, and a suitable constitution, unified, as a people, these bases would be in our charge. |
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-mikkie2-
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Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 603
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I just find it amazing that many Turkish Cypriot's don't really have a real idea of what is going on around them. The blinkers are fully up! Tunnel vision is the order of the day. The international community turning the illegal into legal? Are you guys serious?
People seem to confuse laws and the constitution! The constitution has NEVER changed. All its provisions are still valid, and its the fact that Turkey is in continual violation of our constitution that we find ourselves where we are today. The passing of laws and the provisions of the constitution are two separate things.
The Turkish Cypriot's should be VERY worried for their future. They should be VERY worried that they allow Turkey to talk on their behalf when dealing with their interests abroad. The Turkish Cypriot's are slowly but surely being sideline and compromised. The Turkish Cypriot's MUST wake up to what is happening to them before it is too late. Cutting off you nose to spite your face has become a skill that is particulalry well employed by the leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community! |
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Viewpoint Warnings : 2 Mukhtar/is

Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 971 Location: Lefkosa/Nicosia
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I just find it amazing that many Turkish Cypriot's don't really have a real idea of what is going on around them. The blinkers are fully up! Tunnel vision is the order of the day. The international community turning the illegal into legal? Are you guys serious?
People seem to confuse laws and the constitution! The constitution has NEVER changed. All its provisions are still valid, and its the fact that Turkey is in continual violation of our constitution that we find ourselves where we are today. The passing of laws and the provisions of the constitution are two separate things.
The Turkish Cypriot's should be VERY worried for their future. They should be VERY worried that they allow Turkey to talk on their behalf when dealing with their interests abroad. The Turkish Cypriot's are slowly but surely being sideline and compromised. The Turkish Cypriot's MUST wake up to what is happening to them before it is too late. Cutting off you nose to spite your face has become a skill that is particulalry well employed by the leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community! |
Thank you for your insincere concern but we made our choice a long time ago, you must have realized by now that the choice was not you guys. The opportunity you had to change this you threw away, don't hold your breath for another chance they do not come around that often. As for recognition whether it happen or not no solution at worse means we stay as we are divided, thank god for Papadop his leadership will ensure we stay exactly as we are and who knows in 50 years time what will happen, we can only guess. |
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Viewpoint Warnings : 2 Mukhtar/is

Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 971 Location: Lefkosa/Nicosia
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| MicAtCyp wrote: |
The only power that matters in this region is the EU being the new rising Economic giant of the World. Not China, not the US.They are too far away.The EU is juuust tolerating the turning of a part of legal Republic of Cyprus, one of its member states, into an illegal pseudo state. So the chances are that the pseudo finally evaporates. Want to wait and see this happening? Be my guest. It already started. |
Sure we have plenty of time we can wait for another 32+ years, you quote what you wish will happen whether it does remains to be seen. Can you actually state what has actually started to happen? you guys are a joke in the EU the problems they have had since you have joined are numerous and will exasperate their patience as the old problems take root and remain unsolved for many years to come. This divided island is the reminder of the mistake that was made of taking a divided island into the EU. |
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Donald Keogh
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 73 Location: Ireland
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The Turkish Cypriot's should be VERY worried for their future. They should be VERY worried that they allow Turkey to talk on their behalf when dealing with their interests abroad. . |
Mikkie your pulling no pucnches on this one !
I can already see thousands of trembling Turkish Cypriot's at the besieged Gates of Girne
Or are you just an arch prodagandist for the Greek Cypriot cause ?
Worried & Wondering.... |
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repulsewarrior
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Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 2152 Location: a cypriot in canada
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The consequences are what we are living today a divided island heading for permanent recognized division when all the manipulated factors are in place and the superpowers believe me they will no ethical or legal problems taking that last step. As long as we maintain our current viewpoints they will continue to manipulate us all into whatever shape or form that serves their best interests., whether its right or wrong.
Does this mean that you believe that unless we work out our own solution, the power we have will be usurped by the interlocutors? |
Doesn't this mean that we have no choice, if we want to feel a sense of protection, we need to be strongly committed to ourselves, keeping in mind the geography, with a strong central government, able to defend our rights equally, as well as, in our external affairs. |
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Bullika Warnings : 1 Ministerial

Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
I just find it amazing that many Turkish Cypriot's don't really have a real idea of what is going on around them. The blinkers are fully up! Tunnel vision is the order of the day. The international community turning the illegal into legal? Are you guys serious?
People seem to confuse laws and the constitution! The constitution has NEVER changed. All its provisions are still valid, and its the fact that Turkey is in continual violation of our constitution that we find ourselves where we are today. The passing of laws and the provisions of the constitution are two separate things.
The Turkish Cypriot's should be VERY worried for their future. They should be VERY worried that they allow Turkey to talk on their behalf when dealing with their interests abroad. The Turkish Cypriot's are slowly but surely being sideline and compromised. The Turkish Cypriot's MUST wake up to what is happening to them before it is too late. Cutting off you nose to spite your face has become a skill that is particulalry well employed by the leaders of the Turkish Cypriot community! |
Ive lost hope and stopped caring. We have lost Cyprus as far as Im concerned, we might as well let the Turks have it. England is our new homeland. |
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MicAtCyp Warnings : 1 Senior Villager

Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 313
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| Sure we have plenty of time we can wait for another 32+ years |
What 32 years? I give it a maximum life 10-15 years. Within that period the Turkish Cypriots will negotiate their return to Republic of Cyprus.
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| Can you actually state what has actually started to happen? |
The boiling.
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| you guys are a joke in the EU … |
So I understand you wouldn’t jump up and down to be in our position, would you?
By the way may I remind you VP that the entering of Cyprus in the EU was actually a deal. Without it Turkey would never start accession talks. Can you now see the whole procedure evolving? |
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MicAtCyp Warnings : 1 Senior Villager

Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 313
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| Knowing Mikkie 2 for a long time, Keogh, I can assure you what he said is what he would have done if he were a Turkish Cypriot. Absolutely no implications of the kind you mentioned. |
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