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antonis
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| Yes, there are a substantial number of settlers, but they're not a majority, even if you include the soldiers and migrant workers. |
So what you're saying is that if they do a census now, and count as Turkish Cypriots the 1963 Republic of Cyprus decedents and their families (even if they married Turkish citizens) then the majority will be Cypriot rather than Turkish? That's a bit hard to buy.
Right now in the north there are around 60,000 Republic of Cyprus citizens and a certain number that can claim the citizenship but haven't done so as yet. In the 1996 census (around a decade ago), the claimed population in the north was 200,000. And there was another wave of Turkish citizens to Cyprus in the last 5 years.
I guess it all depends what you mean by "settlers"... |
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detailer
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| I guess it all depends what you mean by "settlers"... |
If you call all the people come from Turkey who stay for a while settlers, then you are right |
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erolz
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Hi Antonis and welcome to the forum btw.
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Right now in the north there are around 60,000 Republic of Cyprus citizens and a certain number that can claim the citizenship but haven't done so as yet. |
Where does this 60,000 figure come from? To me it sounds high? My personal (and obviously objective) experience is that more Turkish Cypriot have not registered with the Republic of Cyprus for either ID cards or Passports than have.
Overall, living in the north, and again from by objective personal impression I find the figure Alexandros arried at of around 60-70,000 settlers more realistic than the figures you see of 100,000+. It certainly does not feel like there are more settlers here than native Turkish Cypriot.
Just my personal impression. I would welcome an indpendent survey to establish actual figures of different groups in the North.
Just out of intererst how many non Turkish Cypriot non settlers residents do you think their are in the north (Ex pat brits and others)? |
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antonis
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
| Mr Papadop has absolutely no Turkish Cypriot support he is seen as a negative Turk hater, he manipulates Greek Cypriots for larger local support for another term in office. Hes has no desire to solve the issue under a BBF, why should he? he is a status quo man who is benefiting the Turkish Cypriot desire for recognized partition. Another term of Papadop and we may as well kiss any positive steps taken towards solving the Cyprus issue goodbye. |
Greek Cypriots could say more or less the same for Mr Denktash, isn't that true? But Clerides negotiated with him and brought the Cyprus problem really close to a solution. So if Talat _really_ wants a solution and not just a separate state, he can prove this by creating the environment for a solution.
I was personally hoping for a bigger change in the north, what I see is a gradual, numb approach to the problem rather than a decisive, "shocking" maneuvering that will end the current stalemate and bring a breeze of hope for a solution. Rather than complaining, if your leadership wishes the reunification of the island then that's to be seen.
Waiting for the two communities to have leaderships that are both eager for a solution is in my opinion pointless, because bipolar dynamics will not allow this. For me nationalism is a conserved quantity in Cyprus, when it goes down on one side, it goes up on the other one... |
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detailer
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| Greek Cypriots could say more or less the same for Mr Denktash, isn't that true? But Clerides negotiated with him and brought the Cyprus problem really close to a solution. So if Talat _really_ wants a solution and not just a separate state, he can prove this by creating the environment for a solution. |
Antonis,
Something for sure. Talat does not want a seperate state.
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I am also sending my thanks to you because of your reasoned and enlighting ideas you brought to this forum. I hope you contribute more. |
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antonis
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| erolz wrote: |
| Hi Antonis and welcome to the forum btw. |
Cheers, good job.
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| Where does this 60,000 figure come from? |
I remember this number when reading Politis some time ago, but here's a blurb:
http://www.cyprusemb.se/dbase/cypemb/measures.asp
I would trust these numbers - they come from the MoI. I cannot make any estimates of what is going on in the occupied areas. If I accept what you claim, i.e., that Turkish Cypriots are the majority, it's definitely a small one.
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| I would welcome an indpendent survey to establish actual figures of different groups in the North. |
Me too. But you still have to define what is who.
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| Just out of intererst how many non Turkish Cypriot non settlers residents do you think their are in the north (Ex pat brits and others)? |
Clueless. Permanent residents? Around 1k? |
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Crash Test Dummy
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| i know nothng about this topic so i wont comment but glad to see there is a mass debate going on. well done chaps and welcome antonis |
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