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depurple
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Very soon within 6 months in fact Turkey will be going head to head with the EU on many issue including the Cyprus issue:
Turkey will have to recognize Cyprus:
Open the ports and air space:
Allow Cypriots(EU Citizens) to visit Turkey:
Pay compensation to Arestis:
Open Varaossi:
And many other requirements:
What will Turkey do?
What will the Army do?
What will the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus do?
The ECHR says that Turkey is responsible for the compensation:
The ECHR says that Turkey is control of Northern Cyprus:
The ECHR say that Turkey is the only one they recognize:
Onure Oyen comments were very helpful: He said we won the WAR? in 1974 so why should the victors pay?(I thought it was a peace mission):
Well in a few months all will be revealed: So sit back grab the popcorn and lets see how European Turkey really is!!! |
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Kifeas
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| depurple wrote: |
Very soon within 6 months in fact Turkey will be going head to head with the EU on many issue including the Cyprus issue:
Turkey will have to recognize Cyprus:
Open the ports and air space:
Allow Cypriots(EU Citizens) to visit Turkey:
Pay compensation to Arestis:
Open Varaossi:
And many other requirements:
What will Turkey do?
What will the Army do?
What will the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus do?
The ECHR says that Turkey is responsible for the compensation:
The ECHR says that Turkey is control of Northern Cyprus:
The ECHR say that Turkey is the only one they recognize:
Onure Oyen comments were very helpful: He said we won the WAR? in 1974 so why should the victors pay?(I thought it was a peace mission): Well in a few months all will be revealed: So sit back grab the popcorn and lets see how European Turkey really is!!! |
Do you have any reference link to these Onure Oyen claims?  |
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Xenos 2Fan
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| I don't understand why you posted your thread in this section DP?? |
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depurple
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Hey I'm new boys and I just realized you have all separated section BY section very good but very time consuming BUT I will make sure it is under the right section next time:
PS The Onur Oyen is in Today PIO Turkey News: |
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moonskin
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| I kindly ask our mods to move this entire thread to an appropriate section. Thank you. |
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depurple
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Thanks Boys: Hey I'm Aussie! We are 14000 KLMS away and the ozone is thin down here!
cheers |
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Kifeas
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| depurple wrote: |
Hey I'm new boys and I just realized you have all separated section BY section very good but very time consuming BUT I will make sure it is under the right section next time:
PS The Onur Oyen is in Today PIO Turkey News: |
can you post the URL here?
I do not beilive you have read such a thing! |
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garbitsch
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| Any chance that, that guy's name is Onur Öymen? |
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Kifeas
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| garbitsch wrote: |
| Any chance that, that guy's name is Onur Öymen? |
I think it's him! He was the advisor of the Turkish side during the last negotiations befor the referendums. |
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moonskin
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| "We are pleased when we lose and saddened when we win. We will see how this issue will shape up in three months. Most probably Turkey will be slapped with a very steep indemnity payment. This government unfortunately accepted the same court's 1998 ruling in the Loizidou case. Previous governments had rejected it. Rejecting it was very sensible because when we recognized the ECHR's judicial authority we said that 'the court has jurisdiction over violations of the convention on Turkish soil.' The KKTC [Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus] has its own constitution, courts, and laws. Is Turkey responsible for everything that happens in Cyprus? The court says, 'yes it is.' This is why all previous governments rejected [the Loizidou decision] but this government accepted it. They paid indemnities of $1 million and then they assumed this burden. How far can this go? Some people talk about Turkey making indemnity payments amounting to as much as 40 billion euro. Which country in the world has paid reparations after winning a war?" |
http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/All/13C2253FEF801295C22570E4003F7468?OpenDocument
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Kifeas
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| "We are pleased when we lose and saddened when we win. We will see how this issue will shape up in three months. Most probably Turkey will be slapped with a very steep indemnity payment. This government unfortunately accepted the same court's 1998 ruling in the Loizidou case. Previous governments had rejected it. Rejecting it was very sensible because when we recognized the ECHR's judicial authority we said that 'the court has jurisdiction over violations of the convention on Turkish soil.' The KKTC [Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus] has its own constitution, courts, and laws. Is Turkey responsible for everything that happens in Cyprus? The court says, 'yes it is.' This is why all previous governments rejected [the Loizidou decision] but this government accepted it. They paid indemnities of $1 million and then they assumed this burden. How far can this go? Some people talk about Turkey making indemnity payments amounting to as much as 40 billion euro. Which country in the world has paid reparations after winning a war?" |
http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/All/13C2253FEF801295C22570E4003F7468?OpenDocument
Cheers. |
How typical Ottoman he sounds!!!
Perhaps someone needs to also remind this Sultan’s ancestor of another statement that was said by Callaghan to Ecevit this time, just a few hours before the Turkish invasion in 1974, when the British FM was trying to convince the latest not to go ahead with the invasion but to wait for diplomatic initiatives and actions to produce results instead. |
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moonskin
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Indeed, very unfortunate statements from a person of his experience and status (Onur Öymen (1) is the vice-president of the CHP, Republican People's Party and had very important posts in his career as a diplomat, e.g. he was the ambassador of Turkey to Germany, Denmark, NATO etc.). Unfortunate because he is the vice president of the biggest and historically most important *social democrat* party which is supposed to represent a bright future for Turkey, not the Ottoman times as Kifeas identified with! It is very unfortunate because at the times when his country needs to become more democratic and adapt the European standards for sake of his own people, he utters such nonsense for sake of being an opposition to the AKP government. I understand that this has to do with the matters of internal politics in Turkey as well, but this is just beyond the acceptable.
I think CHP has forgotten how under the leadership of Deniz Baykal and his policies/ideas/statements, which were very much similar to the above quotation, the party went down under the 10% limit in the 1999 elections and forced to watch the happenings from outside of the parliament for the period. How unfortunate that they still do not learn. How unfortunate that they still continue with this kind of useless and very cheap opposition arguments instead of dealing with the real problems of Turkey.
I'd like to say that I am surprised how come the vice president of CHP speaks like the president of MHP but I am not. CHP is perhaps one of the biggest supporters of Denktaş and his policies in Cyprus too. Onur Öymen could perhaps invent the time machine and go live at the ages where his ideas belong to.
1) http://www.onuroymen.com/
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cypezokyli
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Very soon within 6 months in fact Turkey will be going head to head with the EU on many issue including the Cyprus issue:
Turkey will have to recognize Cyprus:
Open the ports and air space:
Allow Cypriots(EU Citizens) to visit Turkey:
Pay compensation to Arestis:
Open Varaossi:
And many other requirements:
What will Turkey do?
What will the Army do?
What will the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus do?
The ECHR says that Turkey is responsible for the compensation:
The ECHR says that Turkey is control of Northern Cyprus:
The ECHR say that Turkey is the only one they recognize:
Onure Oyen comments were very helpful: He said we won the WAR? in 1974 so why should the victors pay?(I thought it was a peace mission):
Well in a few months all will be revealed: So sit back grab the popcorn and lets see how European Turkey really is!!! |
i wouldnt be that confident that all these will happen in six months...if ever.
especially the recognision of cyprus is quite too optimistic, and so is the opening of varoshia.
as for the property issue, since we dont sit on the table and have chosen the courts, the three important cases now in courts will have an effect on the property question, one that we cannot really predict.
the opening the ports could be kind of possible, but if i am not mistaken ports where open till 1996.
cypriots can travel to turkey. as i was told you can take a visa on the spot. |
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Turkey faces a very simple choice - adhere to the agreements she has signed or see a halt in the negotiations.
I would say that the proposed opening of the first chapters for negotiation will not be opened anytime soon. It is clear that Turkey has too far to go. |
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depurple
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Hi moonskin thanks for putting up the Quote from Oner Oymen for me:
cheers
Turkey will be tested on the simplest things first and some in Europe will be hoping that Turkey fails them so lets see what happens: |
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