| Should a new flag be created for Cyprus if it re-unites |
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brother
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| Khan wrote: |
| A whole generation of Turkish Cypriot's have no link with the Republic of Cyprus flag. Garbitsch like myself associate it with Greek Cypriot and could not imagine unification under that flag. |
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Bullika
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| Kifeas wrote: |
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| I dont understand the question, if a new flag is not chosen then which flag are we going to use? To my way of thinking there are two states in Cyprus |
Are you talking about the present or the future with a solution in mind?
If you are talking about the present, then there is only one state in Cyprus, part of which is illegally occupied by Turkey.
If you are talking about the future with a solution in mind, then the two federal states are only for internal administrative purposes and without international sovereign status and representation. |
the above attitude is that of Papadoc, it is why there is NO solution so far. |
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Kifeas
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| MEHMET_OSMAN_KKTC wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
| MEHMET_OSMAN_KKTC wrote: |
| I dont understand the question, if a new flag is not chosen then which flag are we going to use? To my way of thinking there are two states in Cyprus |
Are you talking about the present or the future with a solution in mind?
If you are talking about the present, then there is only one state in Cyprus, part of which is illegally occupied by Turkey.
If you are talking about the future with a solution in mind, then the two federal states are only for internal administrative purposes and without international sovereign status and representation. |
the above attitude is that of Papadoc, it is why there is NO solution so far. |
Is it? Is it really the reason why we have no solution so far?
Nevertheless! A far as I know the above attitude is the one endorsed by the UN, the EU and the entire International community including the UK and even the US. |
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Crash Test Dummy
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| In the eyes of the world (with a few exceptions Eg. Turkey) there is only one country The Republic Of Cyprus, and of that 38% is being illegally occupied. |
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Birkibrisli
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Getting back to the topic  I am with Leon on this one.
I think we should keep our flag to remind us never to make the same mistakes again.To be honest I was very surprised to find out in this forum that the Republic of Cyprus has the Greek national anthem.I can understand why the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has the Turkish anthem (it is not recognised internationally),but as an independent country the Republic of Cyprus should have her own national anthem.
And i wouldn't wait for a solution to get one either.Not if you want the Turkish Cypriots to trust that the Enosis dream is dead and buried. |
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Dhavlos
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I think the national anthem thing was a compromise from the 60's.....a Turkish Cypriot designed the flag...so a Greek Cypriot decided the national anthem.
They should nothave chosen thegreek national anthem imo.... |
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cannedmoose
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
I think the national anthem thing was a compromise from the 60's.....a Turkish Cypriot designed the flag...so a Greek Cypriot decided the national anthem.
They should nothave chosen thegreek national anthem imo.... |
I'm not sure that this was the case. I think it was that no-one could agree on a national anthem, so the newly-created Republic was born without one. With the collapse of the state in 1963-4 (I know this will be disputed, but that's when the Turkish Cypriots - apart from the judiciary - withdrew from the administration), the House of Representatives, with only the Greek Cypriot members sitting made a unilateral decision on a number of issues, including the national anthem. Hence why the Republic of Cyprus has the Greek national anthem. The compromise you suggest - Turkish Cypriot designed the flag, therefore let's let the Greek Cypriots do the anthem - may sound nice in principle, but can you really believe that such a compromise could take place now, let alone in 1959-60? |
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Dhavlos
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| The compromise you suggest - Turkish Cypriot designed the flag, therefore let's let the Greek Cypriots do the anthem - may sound nice in principle, but can you really believe that such a compromise could take place now, let alone in 1959-60? |
Hmmm.. thats true....i wast sure how it had worked out for cyprus to have the greek nat. anth., so that was what i thought.
I found this statement that probably supports you moose:
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| Cypriots have been using the Greek national anthem since the 1960s because no one ever got around to composing one for the fledgling Republic. The Greek anthem Imnos eis tin Eleftheria (Hymn to Liberty), which has over 158 verses, talks about rising from the sacred ashes of the Hellenes and heroic deeds in Greek history. |
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/cmnews/2000/00-11-07.cmnews.html#02 |
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surfnyc718
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| I think it's fair for both sides to come on an agreement on the national anthem even though i'm also a greek-american i would'nt want to see the greek anthem not be used in cyprus atleast in schools and other events but first lets see when cyprus will finally be united for that to be decided. |
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Bullika
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| Kifeas wrote: |
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| I dont understand the question, if a new flag is not chosen then which flag are we going to use? To my way of thinking there are two states in Cyprus |
Are you talking about the present or the future with a solution in mind?
If you are talking about the present, then there is only one state in Cyprus, part of which is illegally occupied by Turkey.
If you are talking about the future with a solution in mind, then the two federal states are only for internal administrative purposes and without international sovereign status and representation. |
the above attitude is that of Papadoc, it is why there is NO solution so far. |
Is it? Is it really the reason why we have no solution so far?
Nevertheless! A far as I know the above attitude is the one endorsed by the UN, the EU and the entire International community including the UK and even the US. |
so the international community recognize the Republic of Cyprus? keep repeating that in your head for all eternity, how does that attitude manifest itself in terms of a solution? Answer: it has failed miserably to contributed to a solution.
my point is you can deny the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus exists and talk of a `cyprus govt´ but it´ll get you nowhere. and i dont believe we should adopt the Republic of Cyprus flag even if a Turkish cypriot designed it because it represents a period of cyprus´history turkish cypriots would rather forget. |
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Dhavlos
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| MEHMET_OSMAN_KKTC wrote: |
so the international community recognize the Republic of Cyprus? keep repeating that in your head for all eternity, how does that attitude manifest itself in terms of a solution? Answer: it has failed miserably to contributed to a solution. |
that is true, but to a certain extent, ifeel that the international community has not made the situation any better by not acting proactivly towards a solution. I mean, of course they have helped make resolutions/annan plan etc... but nothing to make both sides feel they are getting a real, unbiased solution for cyprus.
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my point is you can deny the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus exists and talk of a `cyprus govt´ but it´ll get you nowhere. and i dont believe we should adopt the Republic of Cyprus flag even if a Turkish cypriot designed it because it represents a period of cyprus´history turkish cypriots would rather forget. |
I kno they would rather forget it, but they are going to have to forgive, so that cyprus can be unified once and for all, and let the people live without grudges. Same thing goesfor Greek Cypriots about the Turkish army (once they leave).
The flag should be changed in a solution, but the old one must not be forgotten, or we will loose that part of history that has, and will continue to shape our countries future |
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Bullika
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| sure i agree with what you are saying, but its the way kifeas talks about "one cyprus occupied by turkey" that ticks me off. Its a view that suggests that there is no democratically elected tcyp govt and that we are just nothing. |
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depurple
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one thing i can believe is how the current cyprus flag can be offensive to the turkish? Cypriots there are no sign to show links to Greece if that is the problem; I wish we had an astralian flag showing the whole map of aaustralia: What better way to promte your country:
The offensive flags are the Greek & Turkish flags thats for sure. I remeber that an Armenian said to me that the 1st turkish flag was dyed in Amenean Blood but that is the past it is the future is the falg must be changed lets change it BUT No blue, White, Red, Yellow, green because that has the past flags in ti? Maybe Black & Purple Great Heavy Metal colours! |
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