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brother
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Turkey experienced a real life security crisis like that of movie scenarios on November 3.
A 9/11-similar panic surfaced as an A-321 type German registered passenger plane leaving Egypt managed to proceed until Istanbul without providing any information to Turkish air control centers.
Reportedly, no contact was made with the plane that entered Turkey's Flight Information Region (FIR) from Antalya at 5:20 p.m. The situation was recognized when the airplane was over Afyon, a central Western city of Turkey. As no reply was received despite several calls, worries were that the plane would conduct a terrorist attack in Istanbul similar to the one against the US twin towers on 11 September 2001. Turkish Air Forces launched two warplanes from the Afyon Civil Defense Search and Rescue Troop at 5:34 p.m. |
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&trh=20051125&hn=26767 |
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city
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| Haven't heard of that incident, but what I found most interesting in the article is that there appears to have been a lack of communication between authorities. That reminds me even more of 9/11. |
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brother
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| It's a complete cock up and heads are rolling as we speak imo. |
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Xenos 2Fan
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What are the consequences for the pilots after an incident such as this? This is scandalous.  |
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Crash Test Dummy
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| Must of been scary with all the recent trouble |
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respiridus
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| What are the consequences for the pilots after an incident such as this? This is scandalous. |
Can I dazzle you with my knowledge? 
There are two ways of flying: VFR, where the pilot flies using visual references, and IFR, where he flies using his instruments and directions from air traffic control. There are also two kinds of airspaces: Restricted airspaces, which usually include low altitudes over airports and military bases and high altitudes over 10000 feet (if I remember correctly). And unrestricted airspaces, which usually include altitudes below 10000 feet not near airports. Things are not always that simple, of course - rules differ from country to country.
Theoretically, an aircraft flying VFR in an unrestricted airspace is not required to talk to anyone or report its position using the SQWAK system. Therefore, in theory, a pilot could enter a country's airspace without reporting it. However, by convention this is never done by airliners, which usually fly at altitudes above 20000 feet anyway.
Therefore, the pilot will most certainly be in a lot of trouble
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Xenos 2Fan
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| Xenos 2Fan wrote: |
| What are the consequences for the pilots after an incident such as this? This is scandalous. |
Can I dazzle you with my knowledge?
There are two ways of flying: VFR, where the pilot flies using visual references, and IFR, where he flies using his instruments and directions from air traffic control. There are also two kinds of airspaces: Restricted airspaces, which usually include low altitudes over airports and military bases and high altitudes over 10000 feet (if I remember correctly). And unrestricted airspaces, which usually include altitudes below 10000 feet not near airports. Things are not always that simple, of course - rules differ from country to country.
You're correct re, but in USA when my brother and I are flying IFR we are recuired by law to report to each regional tower after we leave the airspace of another no matter at what altitude we are flying. Each tower sign us over to the next and we must acknowledge the assigmnets.
Theoretically, an aircraft flying IFR in an unrestricted airspace is not required to talk to anyone or report its position using the SQWAK system. Therefore, in theory, a pilot could enter a country's airspace without reporting it. However, by convention this is never done by airliners, which usually fly at altitudes above 20000 feet anyway.
Therefore, the pilot will most certainly be in a lot of trouble |
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respiridus
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duplicate - please ignore
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respiridus
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| You're correct re, but in USA when my brother and I are flying IFR we are recuired by law to report to each regional tower after we leave the airspace of another no matter at what altitude we are flying. Each tower sign us over to the next and we must acknowledge the assigmnets. |
Sorry re, what I meant is "Theoretically, an aircraft flying VFR in an unrestricted airspace...". Spelling mistake. |
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Xenos 2Fan
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No worries re.  |
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Crash Test Dummy
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