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Bullika
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IMMIGRATION PLAN
All foreign nationals residing in Cyprus (except EU citizens who are allowed to reside here, business people working for multinational companies, shipping industry staff and those working for the diplomatic service and NGOs) who have resided in Cyprus either as economic migrants, or settlers (except military staff) are entitled to apply for Cyprus citizenship after living on either side of the island for a period not under 8 years. There must be no interruptions of more than two months for every year counted.
Those who reside on the island for a period under 8 years can continue to reside there but must apply for an annual (renewable) carte de sejour (residency permit) granted by the federal / central govt. In the event of a refusal by the authorities to grant an extension of this permit, the applicant is entitled to appeal to the Cypriot hugh court and European Courts (if they wish) and cannot be deported during the appeal process until after a verdict is reached. In order for a carte de sejour to be issued an applicant must be in full or part-time employment either as employed or self-employed, contribute in taxes or if these do not apply must have enough funds to fund their stay.
Married to a Cypriot: Those married to Cypriots must be married for atleast 3 years before citizenship can be given, or if they have offspring earlier.
Children born in Cyprus: Children born in Cyprus to foreign parents do not automatically have a right to Cypriot citizenship.
Asylum: Those seeking asylum in Cyprus can do so if there is strong evidence of serious violation of human rights, a threat to their lives, in countries where there is a weak democratic system, war, natural disasters, but Not as a result of criminal activity. Asylum seekers with skills needed in the Cypriot economy can legally work even while their case is assesed. |
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Dhavlos
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sounds good enough, and im sure many Greek Cypriots would accept it, but what about the costs of moving settlers?
many people with have issues as well with property/where the settlers go.
Property and Displaccement/Moving have to be delt with handin hand imo |
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Bullika
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I think the govt should not expel anybody, settlers should be housed in "Social Housing" complexes outside cities or where they used to live. They shoud then pay rent to the govt, and if they are unemployed, the govt will put them onto a new deal program to find them work. The opprtunity to eventually buy the apartment in which they live will be available to all.
Also I forgot to mention ownders both Greek and Turkish Cypriots of properties on either side should have a choice, 1) return to their properties, 2) seek compensation, (they make have to accept this if it is physically impossible to return), 3) allow the settlers to live there but to pay rent at a reasonable rate fixed with inflation or 4) sell their properties to the occupants. |
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Xenos 2Fan
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I think the govt should not expel anybody, settlers should be housed in "Social Housing" complexes outside cities or where they used to live. They shoud then pay rent to the govt, and if they are unemployed, the govt will put them onto a new deal program to find them work. The opprtunity to eventually buy the apartment in which they live will be available to all.
Mehmet, don't you think that your "Social Housing" plans will create a ghetto mentality that will further divide the island? You should rethink this imo. As soon as I read "social housing" I was reminded of the ghettos in America where African Americans and Hispanics reside.
Also I forgot to mention ownders both Greek and Turkish Cypriots of properties on either side should have a choice, 1) return to their properties, 2) seek compensation, (they make have to accept this if it is physically impossible to return), 3) allow the settlers to live there but to pay rent at a reasonable rate fixed with inflation or 4) sell their properties to the occupants. |
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Bullika
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Mehmet, don't you think that your "Social Housing" plans will create a ghetto mentality that will further divide the island? You should rethink this imo. As soon as I read "social housing" I was reminded of the ghettos in America where African Americans and Hispanics reside.
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OK We could just send them back to Turkey.
Ghetto?? Social housing does not necessarily mean they'll form a ghetto. many Cypriots after 1974 were forced to live in social housing complexes after spending many years in refugee camps, for them social housing was better than having no home at all, helped them cope and rebuild their lives. Can the Nicosia suburbs of Strovolos or Gonyeli be considered ghettos? after all they expanded to house our refugees.
May I just add that I dont think its fair that a settler should be allowed to live in house that does not belong to them, while depriving the person whose home it is from returning or selling it or even seeking compensation. I'm doing the settlers a favor by allowing them to stay at all. There are many Turkish Cypriots who like Sener Levent, Akinci who would be happy to see all of them go.
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Xenos 2Fan
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Mehmet, don't you think that your "Social Housing" plans will create a ghetto mentality that will further divide the island? You should rethink this imo. As soon as I read "social housing" I was reminded of the ghettos in America where African Americans and Hispanics reside.
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OK We could just send them back to Turkey.
We both know that is not going to happen!!!!!
Ghetto?? Social housing does not necessarily mean they'll form a ghetto. many Cypriots after 1974 were forced to live in social housing complexes after spending many years in refugee camps, for them social housing was better than having no home at all, helped them cope and rebuild their lives.
For people that have lived in refugee camps social housing would be paradise. Settlers that have not lived in refugee camps would have a thing or two to say about your plans. There is a huge difference.
Can the Nicosia suburbs of Strovolos or Gonyeli be considered ghettos? after all they expanded to house our refugees.
May I just add that I dont think its fair that a settler should be allowed to live in house that does not belong to them, while depriving the person whose home it is from returning or selling it or even seeking compensation.
I agree. This would not be fair. Neither would it be fair to take settlers out of their homes without due compensation and reducing them to second class citizen status. I promise you that is how they would feel. Especially those families of settlers that have been residing in the north for decades. Whether you like it or not these people have worked and have contributed to the economy of the north and in so doing have a right to stay.
I'm doing the settlers a favor by allowing them to stay at all.
Whoa Mehmet, you're not the PM of cyprus ....yet. 
There are many Turkish Cypriots who like Sener Levent, Akinci who would be happy to see all of them go.
Indignant individuals imo.
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I suggest that incentives should be given to settlers for repatriation to the mainland. If they chose to do so by free will then I welcome them back to Turkey. If they chose to stay- then Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus should flip the bill for them to be integrated into Cypriot mainstream as soon as possible without taking a step down in society. And not into enclaves outside the cities or villages. What's wrong with having a settler as a neighbor as long as they are productive and they are contributing to society and the economy? |
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Bullika
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I agree. This would not be fair. Neither would it be fair to take settlers out of their homes without due compensation and reducing them to second class citizen status. I promise you that is how they would feel. Especially those families of settlers that have been residing in the north for decades. Whether you like it or not these people have worked and have contributed to the economy of the north and in so doing have a right to stay.
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I dont know what kind of a World you live in, but if a settler who NEVER paid for the property in which they squat has the right to compensation then I'm the queen of sheba. And just who is going to give them this compensation, the real owners who were uprooted from their homes???
These people have contributed to our economy yes, but does that justify them living in stolen property.
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| Whoa Mehmet, you're not the PM of cyprus ....yet. |
If I were then there would be no problems, Cyprus is unlucky not to have me as their President.
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| I suggest that incentives should be given to settlers for repatriation to the mainland. If they chose to do so by free will then I welcome them back to Turkey. If they chose to stay- then Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus should flip the bill for them to be integrated into Cypriot mainstream as soon as possible without taking a step down in society. And not into enclaves outside the cities or villages. What's wrong with having a settler as a neighbor as long as they are productive and they are contributing to society and the economy? |
They have the freedom to leave now if they so desired, but you see Xenos 2Fan (I dont know your real name), when you arrive on an island, are given free accommadation (stolen property), you dont pay taxes like most Turkish Cypriots and you work cash in hand for more money than you get in Diyarbakir then there is no willingness to repatriate.
Who mentioned enclaves? I suggested housing these people in areas of their choice (read my plan again) outside cities, in cities, in towns, in villages where they once lived. It seems to me that you want them to be permitted to continue living on stolen land, that I am against. |
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Xenos 2Fan
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I agree. This would not be fair. Neither would it be fair to take settlers out of their homes without due compensation and reducing them to second class citizen status. I promise you that is how they would feel. Especially those families of settlers that have been residing in the north for decades. Whether you like it or not these people have worked and have contributed to the economy of the north and in so doing have a right to stay.
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I dont know what kind of a World you live in, but if a settler who NEVER paid for the property in which they squat has the right to compensation then I'm the queen of sheba. And just who is going to give them this compensation, the real owners who were uprooted from their homes???
These people have contributed to our economy yes, but does that justify them living in stolen property.
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| Whoa Mehmet, you're not the PM of cyprus ....yet. |
If I were then there would be no problems, Cyprus is unlucky not to have me as their President.
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| I suggest that incentives should be given to settlers for repatriation to the mainland. If they chose to do so by free will then I welcome them back to Turkey. If they chose to stay- then Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus should flip the bill for them to be integrated into Cypriot mainstream as soon as possible without taking a step down in society. And not into enclaves outside the cities or villages. What's wrong with having a settler as a neighbor as long as they are productive and they are contributing to society and the economy? |
They have the freedom to leave now if they so desired, but you see Xenos 2Fan (I dont know your real name), when you arrive on an island, are given free accommadation (stolen property), you dont pay taxes like most Turkish Cypriots and you work cash in hand for more money than you get in Diyarbakir then there is no willingness to repatriate.
Who mentioned enclaves? I suggested housing these people in areas of their choice (read my plan again) outside cities, in cities, in towns, in villages where they once lived. It seems to me that you want them to be permitted to continue living on stolen land, that I am against. |
Dear Queen,
You know exactly what I am saying but you twist my words. Most of your ideas seem Frankenstein-esque to me. These are your opinions and your are entitled to them. Here is my opinion on about 75% of your thoughts...
See ya around |
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bg_turk
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Who mentioned enclaves? I suggested housing these people in areas of their choice (read my plan again) outside cities, in cities, in towns, in villages where they once lived. It seems to me that you want them to be permitted to continue living on stolen land, that I am against.
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In my opinion all Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus citizens must be treated equally once a solution is found regardless of their origin. Settlers shouldn't be stigmatized and treated differently than Turkish Cypriots, at least not those that have obtained their citizenship legally according to the laws and regulations of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
Besides your last sentence doesnt make any sense, settlers live on "stolen land", as do the majority of Turkish Cypriots. Besides many of the "settlers" were born in cyprus, which by definition makes them natives of these lands. |
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erolz
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In my opinion all Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus citizens must be treated equally once a solution is found regardless of their origin. Settlers shouldn't be stigmatized and treated differently than Turkish Cypriots, at least not those that have obtained their citizenship legally according to the laws and regulations of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
Besides your last sentence doesnt make any sense, settlers live on "stolen land", as do the majority of Turkish Cypriots. Besides many of the "settlers" were born in cyprus, which by definition makes them natives of these lands. |
I agree with you on the first paragraph. I think that a solution that 'sacrafices' these people to cuurent expidency would be a 'hollow' settlement. However for me there is a material differnce between someone who recived land in 'echange' for their own losses (property or human) and someone who goined land without any loss themselves. That difference applies be they Turkish Cypriot, settler or in between as I see things. In my view Turkish Cypriot or settlers or anyone else who recived land without loss themselves should not necessarily be treated in the same way as those who recieved land as 'compensation' for thier loss, as far as rights to that land go. |
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| However for me there is a material difference between someone who received land in 'echange' for their own losses (property or human) and someone who gained land without any loss themselves. That difference applies be they Turkish Cypriot, settler or in between as I see things. In my view Turkish Cypriot or settlers or anyone else who received land without loss themselves should not necessarily be treated in the same way as those who received land as 'compensation' for their loss, as far as rights to that land go. |
I agree with you erolz. I simply objected to mehmet using the term stolen property as if that property was somehow inherently more stolen than what Turkish Cypriots use.
Besides I want to emphasize the point that many of the settlers have not just received the property for "free", they have been given the property as a compensation for losses - for instance many of the original settlers are relatives of soliders, who have perished during the intervention, and many have received the property as a compensation for their service for the freedome of the turkish cypriot community. |
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cannedmoose
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| Whoa Mehmet, you're not the PM of cyprus ....yet. |
If I were then there would be no problems, Cyprus is unlucky not to have me as their President. |
MOK, your ideas have some merit. However, your lofty view less so. You must also take account of the fact that when you devise plans, you are dealing with human beings, not cattle. It's easy to miss the point when you talk about repatriating settlers, moving people around etc. Yes, these people may be occupying land illegally, however, some of them have been in Cyprus for 30 years now, their kids know nothing else. Simply to say, let's ship them out is not a reasonable answer and smacks of the 'population exchanges' of the past - something we should not be aspiring towards in this current age. |
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Bullika
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| MOK, your ideas have some merit. However, your lofty view less so. You must also take account of the fact that when you devise plans, you are dealing with human beings, not cattle. It's easy to miss the point when you talk about repatriating settlers, moving people around etc. Yes, these people may be occupying land illegally, however, some of them have been in Cyprus for 30 years now, their kids know nothing else. Simply to say, let's ship them out is not a reasonable answer and smacks of the 'population exchanges' of the past - something we should not be aspiring towards in this current age |
I never saıd send them all back to Turkey, read my plan which offers all those who have been resident here for 8 years plus cıtızenshıp, and the remaınder are stıll allowed to stay wıth resıdency permıts. Basically nobody is sent back!
I also stated that when it comes to property those that belong to settlers be returned to theır owners, I dıd not mentıon T/Cs who lıve ın these lands as theır own lands are occupıed ın the South-that ıs a dıfferent matter.
I belıeve that a settler who dıd NOT pay for hıs / her property, lıves there for free, does not even pay taxes or render any servıces to Northern Cyprus should leave that property and be gıven alternatıve property where they do pay rent and taxes etc. Where ıt ıs possıble for a refugee who ıs wıllıng to return to return then that wısh should be granted. |
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