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bg_turk
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| What happened to the property comission in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus that was supposed to be opened by March? Titina Louizidou's property should have been returned by now - as far as I know the ECHR deadline for the implementation of its decision has passed. |
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boulio
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| The probably realized that there decisions have to use the same parameters as the Louizou case and just realized there up shits creek. |
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brother
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| Lozidos has as such refused to claim her property back as it is under the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, so the ball is squarely in her court. |
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brother
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| boulio wrote: |
| The probably realized that there decisions have to use the same parameters as the Louizou case and just realized there up shits creek. |
And you are basing this statement on what?????
The property commission has been set up and is ready to function and the only issue outstanding is to see how effective a remedy it is and that we will find out in due course. |
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-mikkie2-
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| Lozidos has as such refused to claim her property back as it is under the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, so the ball is squarely in her court. |
I do not believe this is the case.
Has her property been officially handed over to her? Is there any documented evidence to back this up?
As far as I am aware, Turkey has not implemented the final part of the ruling, which is to hand her property back. Once she is given the keys she is entitled to do what she likes, and that includes leaving the property empty! |
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brother
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
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| Lozidos has as such refused to claim her property back as it is under the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, so the ball is squarely in her court. |
I do not believe this is the case.
Has her property been officially handed over to her? Is there any documented evidence to back this up?
As far as I am aware, Turkey has not implemented the final part of the ruling, which is to hand her property back. Once she is given the keys she is entitled to do what she likes, and that includes leaving the property empty! |
The property has been vacated and is standing empty for her return when she wants i have heard. |
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-mikkie2-
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| So its just hearsay then. Even if the property is empty, its not up to Loizidou to demand it back. It is up to Turkey to give it back without any conditions. There is a big difference between the two! |
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brother
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
| So its just hearsay then. Even if the property is empty, its not up to Loizidou to demand it back. It is up to Turkey to give it back without any conditions. There is a big difference between the two! |
I am going to see if i can find the article i read in kibris i think it was and post it up hopefully and that should settle this issue.  |
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turkcyp
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| So its just hearsay then. Even if the property is empty, its not up to Loizidou to demand it back. It is up to Turkey to give it back without any conditions. There is a big difference between the two! |
It is not hearsay.
Property in question is in the middle of "Phillips Kyrenia". I used to pass in front of it at least once a day until recently. It used to be used by its previous owner as a hostel for labors. It has been vacated for almost a year now. The garden is actually started looking like mess because nobody is taking care of it any more. Starting to remind me of a little bit of Turkish Cypriot properties in the south that are abandoned and never used. If let's say in 10 years the property becomes to derelict that it creates a health hazard to residents it probably will be torn down unless she comes and start using and taking care of it. Like again many Turkish Cypriot properties in the south.
I do not know what is she waiting for to use her beloved property. May be expecting Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to give her a golden key to the house, or replace the locks for her or something.
So if she wants it that much she should come and claim it back. My guess is she does not want to come and use it because that would entail a lot of obligations on her part like start paying electricity and water usage of the property to the so called illegal Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. She will start paying taxes and fess to so called illegal "Phillips Kyrenia" municipality. She will start paying property taxes to so called illegal "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus".
That is what will happen, i guess, too all Greek Cypriot properties if they are returned back to their owners. Like if Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus tomorrow says I am opening Varosha and returning it back to its former Greek Cypriot owners under the jurisdiction of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, what is the percentage of Greek Cypriots that will actually come and use their properties. I bet very little.
But that is not the point anyway right. |
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brother
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VOLKAN newspaper reports that Greek Cypriots have applied to the Compensation Committee
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The Turkish Cypriot daily VOLKAN newspaper (20.04.06) reports under the title The Greek Cypriots on the Door and writes that the so-called Property Compensation Committee established under the so-called Property Return law, started functioning. The paper reports that the committee has served summons to 60 people in the occupied Akanthou village who hold the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus title deeds. Attached to the summons, reports VOLKAN, is the Certificate of Ownership of Immovable Property under Turkish Occupation given by the Department of Land and Surveys of the Republic of Cyprus that shows the ownership of the land prior to 1974. The paper reports that the aforementioned Certificate in Greek has been accepted as valid document by the Immovable Property Commission Secretariat and stamped it. The Secretariat annulled the seal of the Department of Land and Surveys of the Republic of Cyprus only.
The paper goes on and reports that 60 such summons were sent to people in Akanthou. Forty six (46) of them received the summons and the remaining 14 refuse to get it and they are at the Akanthou village Municipality waiting to be collected.
The paper reports that the situation is very tense in the village and those who received summons are in rage and they have vowed to fight for every inch of the land given to them 32 years ago and not to cede a single inch of land to the Greeks. They said that to this end they have already retained lawyers.
The paper reports that Greek Cypriot Ilias Papachristou holder of Cyprus passport number C141727 has applied with relevant papers from the Cyprus Department of Land and Surveys to the so-called committee regarding his property in Akanthou. Mr Papachristou, writes the paper, has demanded around 889 thousands Pound Sterling compensation and return of his one donum property. Another Greek Cypriot has asked one million 360 thousand Pound Sterling for his 2 donums property.
In his Affidavit dated 28 March, Mr Papachristou demands for his property, 888,930 thousands Pound Sterling and the return of the property.
The paper produces the certificate given to Mr Papachristou by the Department of Land and Surveys as well as the application form of Ankara´s subordinate regime filled by Mr Papachristou. |
article here
http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2006/06-04-20.tcpr.html |
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pg
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| Perhaps she'll put it on the market... |
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brother
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| pg wrote: |
| Perhaps she'll put it on the market... |
Why not its hers to do as she pleases. |
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turkcyp
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| brother wrote: |
| VOLKAN newspaper reports that Greek Cypriots have applied to the Compensation Committee |
I would not put anything into what Volkan writes. Uttermost nationalistic newspaper that is used as a propaganda rather then delivery of news.
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| Perhaps she'll put it on the market... |
how is she going to do that? Under the Republic of Cyprus laws it is illegal to sell an inch of Greek Cypriot land in north.
Did yo mean she will sell it under Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus laws which she deems illegal. Well in order to do that she has to come and claim her Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus issue deeds...
God! When are you ever gong to realize. These property cases or rather the cases Turkish Cypriots is about to open against Republic of Cyprus because of elimination of their constitutional rights are not about getting justice. It is all about power politics.
Greek Cypriots keep on suing not because they will ever come and claim their land in the north under Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, but because they want to have upper hand in negotiations. Turkish Cypriots are suing not because they want to have the 1960 constitutional rights but for the same reason as Greek Cypriot to get some advantage in negotiations.
At the end of the day what will eventually happen is Turkish Cypriots will trade their rights with Greek Cypriots properties and everybody will go their own way. Is this what everybody wants in this forum. That we go in our ways separately.
All Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, take your heads out of the sand that you have buried them into like a ostrich. Every court case you open against each other puts us on the road to separation not just because from metal point of view (that is people start trusting the other side less) but from the legal point of view as well. If that is what you want then by all means continue at the road you travel on currently.
Either we sit down together and negotiate in good faith with one another not with Turkey or EU or UN or USA or Greece, but with one another, or we will have not just defacto partition of today but dejure partition in the future that our leaders are leading us into. Start to understand each other concerns rather than belittle them. Start to understand our mistakes in the past instead of pointing out continuously the other side's. Start getting ashamed and say sorry for your own wrong doings, accept the blame and reconcile. There can not be a reconciliation before regret and repentance.
even if we find the best solution in Cyprus that satisfies miraculously both sides 100%, it still will not be long lasting until we have regret and repentance for our sins and ask forgiven es from the other side.
Keep on claiming that You have the property in the Lapithos, or you have the constitutional rights in Republic of Cyprus. Don't you see doing one results in the other side doing the other. One side starts rolling the ball and the other sides respond in kind, and the never ending cycle starts again.
We have to do this at once one time at the same time. If one side does it and the other side don't there is no use in it. It only leads to exploitation and further reply in king and cycle starts one more time again.
That is why I am as pessimistic as i have ever been on this Cyprus problem issues. Because i do not see any of the will from both sides to sincerely apologize.
And we keep on masturbating here whether it is "Phillips Kyrenia" or not. |
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pg
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| turkcyp wrote: |
| pg wrote: |
| Perhaps she'll put it on the market... |
how is she going to do that? Under the Republic of Cyprus laws it is illegal to sell an inch of Greek Cypriot land in north. |
I would like to the Republic of Cyprus government that would support a case against her selling her land... |
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pg
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| turkcyp wrote: |
At the end of the day what will eventually happen is Turkish Cypriots will trade their rights with Greek Cypriots properties and everybody will go their own way. |
Excuse me but what do you mean by that? |
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