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Get Real!
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ALERT: Making public admissions and/or apologies may hurt you…
As much as you may have good intentions to make victims of past political events feel better by publicly expressing admissions of blame and/or apologies on behalf of past perpetrators, I STRONGLY URGE all my compatriots to please refrain from doing so because unfortunately you concurrently arm the enemies of Cyprus; those that aim to compromise the sovereignty of your country, with valuable propaganda material that can and may be used against your country to attain exactly the opposite of what you aim with such expressions.
Regards, GR. |
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erolz
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| Get Real! wrote: |
ALERT: Making public admissions and/or apologies may hurt you…
As much as you may have good intentions to make victims of past political events feel better by publicly expressing admissions of blame and/or apologies on behalf of past perpetrators, I STRONGLY URGE all my compatriots to please refrain from doing so because unfortunately you concurrently arm the enemies of Cyprus; those that aim to compromise the sovereignty of your country, with valuable propaganda material that can and may be used against your country to attain exactly the opposite of what you aim with such expressions.
Regards, GR. |
If compassion, empathy, honesty and above all the truth are damaging to your 'cause' then it is time to question the validity of that cause and not the validity of compassion, empathy, honesty and the truth.
Let's have it your way shall we GR? Lets have all of us, Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot compatriots alike deny blame , refuse to apologise for the errors of the past and maintain internally and externally propaganda based version of our collective past that have nothing to do with truth and everything to do with (ethnic based) 'causes' . Oh but that is what we have had for the last 40+ years and look where it has got us ! |
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Get Real!
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| erolz wrote: |
If compassion, empathy, honesty and above all the truth are damaging to your 'cause' then it is time to question the validity of that cause and not the validity of compassion, empathy, honesty and the truth.
Let's have it your way shall we GR? Lets have all of us, Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot compatriots alike deny blame , refuse to apologise for the errors of the past and maintain internally and externally propaganda based version of our collective past that have nothing to do with truth and everything to do with (ethnic based) 'causes' . Oh but that is what we have had for the last 40+ years and look where it has got us ! |
Were you planning on posting an official public apology to the Greek Cypriots and have now been discouraged by my post Erolz? |
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Get Real!
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| Mete wrote: |
| Erol was too kind. I have only one thing to say to you: go f*ck yourself, alright? and don't bother us again if you have no intention or desire of understanding the "other". |
Are you angry that I have discouraged you from posting YOUR public apology to the Greek Cypriots sir? |
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city
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| ........ because unfortunately you concurrently arm the enemies of Cyprus; those that aim to compromise the sovereignty of your country, with valuable propaganda material that can and may be used against your country to attain exactly the opposite of what you aim with such expressions. |
GR, can you elaborate on that a bit further please? I fail to see how honesty and serious compassion can harm the Cyprus cause. Maybe its a matter of definition - what one understands as the 'cause'?
Imho people in Cyprus should stop caring about any outside powers and their influence and instead start taking their future in their own hands. On the long term this is the only road to a solution and it will only lead to the finish line when people on both sides work and stand close together. This comprises the acknowledgment of ones own failures and past mistakes. |
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repulsewarrior
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Get Real, I think that everyone of us on the planet better kiss ass just because we are alive.
Somehow this disconnect exists so that conversation can occur 'Me and Them' an exclusivity, somehow superior, so important other thinking is to be ignored. It's all crap, the best we can do is to express ourselves clearly, anything can be twisted by people without Grace.
Do you remember 1916, Lest We Forget, and since then, the growth of the military-industrial complex. What has this got to do with our Cyprus Problem, everything because we are, as yet, a small population whose decision is anticipated by the rest of Mankind. We can choose for ourselves, quite simply we should choose, we must choose. If we were able to endure our fears, then it would be possible for Cypriots to develop a modern template which will serve to define Human Rights as an Identity, as well as a Constitution, others may emulate, Bi-Zonal and Bi-Communal. But, it means a commitment to something bigger than being a somebody Greek or Turk.
There is a sticky somewhere GR, about Apology and Forgiveness, you may want to read it since the topic is of interest. You gotta do what you gotta do, I could care less about how someone else will screw with me, this is always around, I am more interested in the betterment of the present condition. And we must suffer its consequence: nothing comes for free.
We need dialog, this and the few crossings is a start from an isolation which continues, with the illegal occupation of the Turkish Army, and a Constitution which remains to be reformed, I wish to be always learning, to work with others, toward these ends.
I ask you, as a Vanguard if you will stand up against what is wrong, and stand up for yourself; City has it right. |
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Mete
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| Get Real! wrote: |
Are you angry that I have discouraged you from posting YOUR public apology to the Greek Cypriots sir?
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No, because I already did that through my numerous posts. I always accepted the share of the blame for my community. There's nothing wrong with that. Only through acknowledging the mistakes of the past, you can make sure they never happen again. This is the only way forward.
So why am I angry? Because there are ignorant people like yourself you who divide Cypriots into "us vs. them", who don't even have the guts to admit the mistakes of the past, and who further goes and encourages others to stay away from communication, acknowledgment of pains of the "other side".
The whole purpose of the forum is facilitate communication between the two communities, to understand and be understood and hopefully, come out of it as a person who can see the "other side". This can only be good for Cyprus. But your post represents everything that's not this forum and for that, I'm angry.
If you're so worried about giving "propaganda material" to those "evil others", then don't say anything and leave us alone! |
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Get Real!
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| city wrote: |
| GR, can you elaborate on that a bit further please? I fail to see how honesty and serious compassion can harm the Cyprus cause. Maybe its a matter of definition - what one understands as the 'cause'? |
My post is complete so if you look hard enough you'll find it already answers your question.
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| Imho people in Cyprus should stop caring about any outside powers and their influence and instead start taking their future in their own hands. On the long term this is the only road to a solution and it will only lead to the finish line when people on both sides work and stand close together. This comprises the acknowledgment of ones own failures and past mistakes. |
Sounds great in the ideal world… is that what you were chanting on the Berlin wall? |
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Get Real!
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| Mete wrote: |
| No, because I already did that through my numerous posts. I always accepted the share of the blame for my community. There's nothing wrong with that. Only through acknowledging the mistakes of the past, you can make sure they never happen again. This is the only way forward. |
I don't recall any apologies coming from your direction, do you mind repeating that please?
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So why am I angry? Because there are ignorant people like yourself you who divide Cypriots into "us vs. them", who don't even have the guts to admit the mistakes of the past, and who further goes and encourages others to stay away from communication, acknowledgment of pains of the "other side".
The whole purpose of the forum is facilitate communication between the two communities, to understand and be understood and hopefully, come out of it as a person who can see the "other side". This can only be good for Cyprus. But your post represents everything that's not this forum and for that, I'm angry. |
Sorry to spoil your... "Let's drivel all night with some other clueless fools in the diaspora" ...experiment but I really can't see how that's helping Cyprus.
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| If you're so worried about giving "propaganda material" to those "evil others", then don't say anything and leave us alone! |
The true modern Cypriot doesn’t compromise the sovereignty of his country so save your “wise” words for the many fools of your community. |
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Get Real!
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| repulsewarrior wrote: |
| Get Real, I think that everyone of us on the planet better kiss ass just because we are alive. |
That's a great way to start a response to my message but you go first!  |
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Mete
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| Get Real! wrote: |
I don't recall any apologies coming from your direction, do you mind repeating that please?
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Obviously, you don't follow discussions in the forum that closely but somehow you think you have the right to tell us what's right for the forum and Cyprus.
| Get Real! wrote: |
Sorry to spoil your... "Let's drivel all night with some other clueless fools in the diaspora" ...experiment but I really can't see how that's helping Cyprus.
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If you think this is so useless, it's one more reason for you to stay away. I'm not trying to convince you anything.
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The true modern Cypriot doesn’t compromise the sovereignty of his country so save your “wise” words for the many fools of your community.
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Oh yeah. Those "modern" Cypriots care so much about their country's sovereignty that they pull out Greek flags at every chance they can. Or they cared so much about their country's sovereignty that they couldn't wait to unite it with their motherland. Maybe that's what you mean by sovereignty.
Anyway, I have no desire to waste more time on this. As I said before, if you don't agree with the purpose of the forum, go and find yourself another forum. There are a lot of forums with nationalist, chauvinist idiots like yourself where people talk about "us vs. them" and they're very careful about not giving propaganda material to the other side. So enjoy yourself in one of those forums, will you? |
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cypezokyli
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actaully the problem is not so much that what one sais will be "overtaken by the turkish propaganda machine"....
the problem is that it will be overtaken by the "patriotic propaganda machine".
whatever.....
in any case i disagree , with the above thesis |
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Get Real!
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| Mete wrote: |
| As I said before, if you don't agree with the purpose of the forum, go and find yourself another forum. There are a lot of forums with nationalist, chauvinist idiots like yourself where people talk about "us vs. them" and they're very careful about not giving propaganda material to the other side. So enjoy yourself in one of those forums, will you? |
Unfortunately, you have fallen apart after reading a tiny and civilized paragraph; you got angry, resorted to foul language, and now you think you are even authorized to determine who comes and who goes on the forum!
Are you sure you’ve been posting apologies and promoting…”communication between the two communities” or is it all a figment of your imagination? Contemplate this from far away Boston… |
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Mete
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| Get Real! wrote: |
Are you sure you’ve been posting apologies and promoting…”communication between the two communities” or is it all a figment of your imagination? Contemplate this from far away Boston…
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I have pointed out in the past the mistakes of my community and I have shown my regret for them. For example, check this topic just this week:
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5593
It's about the Greek Cypriots who were murdered by cold blooded Turkish Cypriots in the village of Palaekythro. You want to hear an apology for it? Here it is: I apologize for the animals who murdered those people.
As for me being in Boston, I came here as a student and now working but my whole family is in Cyprus and I do visit Cyprus quite often and I do follow Cyprus issues very closely, more closely than most people in Cyprus. I don't think this has any relevance to anything whatsoever. |
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city
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| city wrote: |
| GR, can you elaborate on that a bit further please? I fail to see how honesty and serious compassion can harm the Cyprus cause. Maybe its a matter of definition - what one understands as the 'cause'? |
My post is complete so if you look hard enough you'll find it already answers your question. |
No, for me it does not answer my question. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked, would I?
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| city wrote: |
| Imho people in Cyprus should stop caring about any outside powers and their influence and instead start taking their future in their own hands. On the long term this is the only road to a solution and it will only lead to the finish line when people on both sides work and stand close together. This comprises the acknowledgment of ones own failures and past mistakes. |
Sounds great in the ideal world… is that what you were chanting on the Berlin wall? |
No one was chanting anything on the Berlin Wall. But since you come up with this I can tell you that it were indeed the people of Germany that made the wall come down. No politicians, no outside powers did it.
Apart from that its a completely different situation cause the people on both sides of the wall had a different history with each other than the two communities in Cyprus have. |
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