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100%cypriot
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| We seem to keep going round in circles about all the different issues concerning the Cyprus Problem , But what do our Greek Cypriot Brothers realy want ? Not Tpap and Talat but the reality from the people ! It would be nice to see if our mind's are thinking alike and if we as the ordinary people have the strenth to put into action our wishes |
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Kifeas
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| We seem to keep going round in circles about all the different issues concerning the Cyprus Problem , But what do our Greek Cypriot Brothers realy want ? Not Tpap and Talat but the reality from the people ! It would be nice to see if our mind's are thinking alike and if we as the ordinary people have the strenth to put into action our wishes |
This is the full statement /address made by the President of the Republic of Cyprus at the 61st Session of the General Assembly of the United Nations, on the 18 of September 2006. If you read it carefully, in there you will find out what the Greek Cypriots are expecting from a solution in Cyprus.
http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/All/F0B9CD8994411AF9C22571EE002C9DDE?OpenDocument
If there is something you do not undertand from what he says, I will be glad to explain and /or analyse it further for you. |
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zan
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| Not Tpap and Talat but the reality from the people |
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Kifeas
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| The views expressed by the president fully reflect and express the views of the vast majority of the Greek Cypriots! |
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cypezokyli
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i would like to say sth about the question it self.
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| But what do our Greek Cypriot Brothers really want ? |
i think we need to understand, that (just like with the north) , the Greek Cypriot society is not monolithic.
you have people from different ideological backrounds, who want different things.
you have people with different social, educational and economical level that will be affected in different ways from a solution.
you also have refugees and non-refugees.
not to mention that you have the pre-1974 generation and the younger generation etc, etc
this is why we too often see people who claim to know "the reason" why the Greek Cypriot voted NO, which is nothing more than reason why themselves voted NO.
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so how do you draw a conclusion from all those parts of the society ?
the method usually used is (not scientific surveys but) through democratic process. people vote for parties who supposedly are in a position to represent the average Greek Cypriot will.
the problem with the parties is that it doesnt always work bottom-up. too often it works the other way around. so for too many years the Greek Cypriot political parties were promising the Greek Cypriots things that were simply not possible , while they knew that these targets could not be achieved. so in short , they also created the "will" or to put it better the "expectations from a solution" of the Greek Cypriots.
nevertheless, since democracy works the way it does, the best way to answer that question is to observe what the Greek Cypriot political parties want (or at least the bigger two parties). they are those whom the Greek Cypriots vote, and they are those who can "sell" to the public a solution. this way also simplifies the problem. this is easier than to ask what each individual wants and also more representative than what tpap wants. its like the middle solution between the two extremes.
the tragedy in the Greek Cypriot society, is that the parties who to a huge extent agree on their aims on the cyppro, never cooperated bc they have "ideological differences" .
dont ask me what those differences are, bc i have been trying for years to find them, but i am still not able to identify them...
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100%cypriot
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| The views expressed by the president fully reflect and express the views of the vast majority of the Greek Cypriots! |
Do you realy feel that way ? |
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100%cypriot
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| cypezokyli wrote: |
i would like to say sth about the question it self.
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| But what do our Greek Cypriot Brothers really want ? |
i think we need to understand, that (just like with the north) , the Greek Cypriot society is not monolithic.
you have people from different ideological backrounds, who want different things.
you have people with different social, educational and economical level that will be affected in different ways from a solution.
you also have back rounds and non-refugees.
not to mention that you have the pre-1974 generation and the younger generation etc, etc
this is why we too often see people who claim to know "the reason" why the Greek Cypriot voted NO, which is nothing more than reason why themselves voted NO.
..........
so how do you draw a conclusion from all those parts of the society ?
the method usually used is (not scientific surveys but) through democratic process. people vote for parties who supposedly are in a position to represent the average Greek Cypriot will.
the problem with the parties is that it doesnt always work bottom-up. too often it works the other way around. so for too many years the Greek Cypriot political parties were promising the Greek Cypriots things that were simply not possible , while they knew that these targets could not be achieved. so in short , they also created the "will" or to put it better the "expectations from a solution" of the Greek Cypriots.
nevertheless, since democracy works the way it does, the best way to answer that question is to observe what the Greek Cypriot political parties want (or at least the bigger two parties). they are those whom the Greek Cypriots vote, and they are those who can "sell" to the public a solution. this way also simplifies the problem. this is easier than to ask what each individual wants and also more representative than what tpap wants. its like the middle solution between the two extremes.
the tragedy in the Greek Cypriot society, is that the parties who to a huge extent agree on their aims on the cyppro, never cooperated bc they have "ideological differences" .
dont ask me what those differences are, bc i have been trying for years to find them, but i am still not able to identify them... |
Thank you for that ! A Very good reply to a very vague question  |
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Kifeas
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| The views expressed by the president fully reflect and express the views of the vast majority of the Greek Cypriots! |
Do you realy feel that way ? |
What do you mean? |
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bg_turk
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It is like reciting the party line. |
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PAul
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What do The Greek Cypriots REALY want from any Solution ?
EVERYTHING, POWER and TOTAL CONTROL OVER Turkish Cypriot PEOPLE!!
They have always wanted this, their mind set has never changed, just my opinion. |
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zan
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In the Financial Times news concerning the issue, it is stated “the irony is that today it is the Turkish Cypriots who are most enthusiastic about a settlement to end the division caused by the Turkish military invasion in 1974, while the Greek Cypriots - having rejected the Annan plan for a settlement in 2004 - seem least bothered.”
Recent opinion polls among Greek Cypriots show strong hostility to any federal solution, and growing support for effective separation of the two communities, the Financial Times said.
The newspaper also wrote, “Officials in Athens believe that if Turkey were forced to pull out of the membership talks, it could well end hopes for any Cyprus settlement for years.” |
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20061104&hn=37938 |
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100%cypriot
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| The views expressed by the president fully reflect and express the views of the vast majority of the Greek Cypriots! |
Do you realy feel that way ? |
What do you mean? |
I mean if you fully back the views of the so called president of cyprus then for such an educated person you surprise me , in that his views have not changed since the beginning of the Akritas plan untill today that same view is evident but is put about in a much more diplomatic way. My dear friend kifeas Tpap is only promising the Greek cypriots something that he can never deliver on his own and he enjoy's to ignite the nationalistic views from within each cypriot. Knowing how stuborn cypriots are he wins every time.
Before you fly into my face with comments on the turkish propaganda lets just accept that it is the same in the north and the south and that while we as civilians keep on hoping, the guy's at the top keep on plotting , not how to solve the problem but on how to stay in that position of power |
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Kifeas
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
| The views expressed by the president fully reflect and express the views of the vast majority of the Greek Cypriots! |
Do you realy feel that way ? |
What do you mean? |
I mean if you fully back the views of the so called president of cyprus then for such an educated person you surprise me , in that his views have not changed since the beginning of the Akritas plan untill today that same view is evident but is put about in a much more diplomatic way. My dear friend kifeas Tpap is only promising the Greek cypriots something that he can never deliver on his own and he enjoy's to ignite the nationalistic views from within each cypriot. Knowing how stuborn cypriots are he wins every time.
Before you fly into my face with comments on the turkish propaganda lets just accept that it is the same in the north and the south and that while we as civilians keep on hoping, the guy's at the top keep on plotting , not how to solve the problem but on how to stay in that position of power |
100%Cypriot, before you "tumefy” my balls again with clichés and rhetoric, please read what he said and comment on them specifically, i.e. where you disagree and where you do not, and live aside the classic and stereotyped retrievals to plain, empty and hollow sloganeering! |
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Bananiot
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| Mistaken by some for a protracted conflict, the Cyprus problem essentially epitomises the inability of the international community to redress this set of massive violations of international legality. |
What an arrogant moron! The United Nationas have spent boundless energy and time for the cyprob over the years. Our stubborness (Denktash-Papadopoulos et al) has blocked all efforts to find a solution that is mutually agreed upon. Meanwhile, we are getting so addicted to partition that we swear at anyone that offers a helping hand (keep the evil away, Papadopoulos said when he was told that the Americans were about to undertake an initiative together with the UN) and recent polls have shown that the majority of Greek Cypriots prefer partition.
Yet, about 100 people die violently in Iraq alone every week, while we spend our money trying to find ways to shed the excess weight, an indication of succesfull neo rich peasants. |
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Kifeas
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Papadopoulos
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| Mistaken by some for a protracted conflict, the Cyprus problem essentially epitomises the inability of the international community to redress this set of massive violations of international legality. |
What an arrogant moron! The United Nationas have spent boundless energy and time for the cyprob over the years. Our stubborness (Denktash-Papadopoulos et al) has blocked all efforts to find a solution that is mutually agreed upon. Meanwhile, we are getting so addicted to partition that we swear at anyone that offers a helping hand (keep the evil away, Papadopoulos said when he was told that the Americans were about to undertake an initiative together with the UN) and recent polls have shown that the majority of Greek Cypriots prefer partition.
Yet, about 100 people die violently in Iraq alone every week, while we spend our money trying to find ways to shed the excess weight, an indication of succesfull neo rich peasants. |
What an arrogant moron!
Apparently he does not (or pretends not to) see the slightest of truth what Papadopoulos has said -and not only him but countless other leaders, regarding the inability of the UN to implement and enforce its resolutions. Apparently he doesn't even see any truth in the fact that the Cyprus problem constitutes a set of massive violations of international legality. For Bananiot, the Turkish Invasion and 32 years occupation by Turkey of another country, the ethnic cleansing and the attempted usurping of an entire population’s properties and the usurping of their historical and cultural rights and heritage from a substantial part of their country, the illegal transfer of mainland Turkish citizens into an occupied area of another country and their "naturalisation" as indigenous people for the furthering of establishing an illegal entity that was based on stolen properties and ethnic cleansing; do not constitute massive violations of international legality, which the UN has not been able to effectively address and confront for 32 long years. For Bananiot, all the above do not constitute violations of international legality, but legitimate fait accomplices of a legitimate invasion and occupation. For Bananiot, the above do not exist for 32 years, but only for 32 days! For Bananiot, there is no issue or a case in which the UN is rented ineffective due to the abuse of the veto rights that the 5 permanent members of the SC have, and which rights they use to further their own national interests, in the expense of the universal and UN values and international law principles, and in the expense of smaller countries. For Bananiot, there is no case in which a large country such as Turkey, virtually throws her Anglo-American boosted weight around, so that she passes through with her violations of international law and the UN resolutions. For Bananiot, all the above exist only in the sphere of Papadopoulos imagination!
Apparently, out of an entire 2-3 pages long speech, Bananiot has managed to pick up only the above largely irrelevant to the essence single line, in order to try and “disprove” or “discredit” Papadopoulos. It must have been really very hard for him to find anything else, more essential and critical, from all that Papadopoulos had said.
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