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Eric Dayi
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:24 am    Post subject: What have you all agreed on? Reply with quote

I asked this question more than 6 months agio and the answer was "nothing". I was however accused of being the cause of the division in this forum and the reason why those who were for unification changed their minds.

Well, I have been away for 6 months and not played with anyones minds to re-educate them so after such a long absence what have you all decided to do about the Cyprus problem?

1) Have you now managed to come to an agreement?

2) When is the "unification"?

3) Are you still "Cypriots" or Turkish Cypriot and/or Greek Cypriot?

4) Has my friend DP learned the difference between ethnicity and nationality or is he still confused as before?

5) Are you still talking about ENOSIS?

I have more questions but I will leave it at that for the time being so as not to over work some people here who might feel the necessity to reply with an essay consisting of 1000's of words instead of a simple Yes or No.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) NO
2) god knows
3) I think we sort of concluded on that we are both, see relevant topic
4)I think Kifeas, made it clear for him and he understood difference between ethnicity and nationality
5) Of course, some other people who were pro-enosis such Digenis Akritas and hammerskin left, but I came along

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavrizatz wrote:
1) NO


And it's not my fault this time?


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2) god knows


That could mean never?


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3) I think we sort of concluded on that we are both, see relevant topic


Something at least.


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4)I think Kifeas, made it clear for him and he understood difference between ethnicity and nationality


I was actaully asking about my friend DP not Kifeas.



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5) Of course, some other people who were pro-enosis such Digenis Akritas and hammerskin left, but I came along


A never ending true story not told by me for a change. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ermmm.. that should read "A never ending true history not told by me for a change."
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK..so we all agree that Cameron Diaz is sexy.....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol...we are never going to agree. We cant agree on unification, we cant agree on partition, we cant agree on property, we cant agree on settlers, we cant agree on democracy, we cant agree on what shoes to wear, we cant agree on what bank to switch to, we cant agree on....do you get my point?

Its jsut a forum to discuss and learn, yes we wanted to create a space where we could create a solution, but i think its a case of too many cooks spoil the broth.

Ive learnt that a soluton is best left to a small group of people, who try to incorporate as much fairness as they can into a solution, but without compromising the viability/workability of a new State. The more people who try to discuss it, the harder it becomes. And aopther thing, ive learnt a solution is about compromise. Also, for anyting anyone has to say about anything in history, politics etc, there is always another side to the story. No-one holds the 'real truth' to what happened, all we have is our opinions. The more opinions we can find out about, the better our own can be shaped.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello eric, long time...what makes you think that you are the center of our debates or that somehow you are better or more important than any one of us. Why take the calling of so few so personally?

So... you need to generalise, put us in one pot, to ridicule, somehow this makes you more whole as a person...if so your thank-you is appreciated... and you are welcome.

More importantly, have you in six months found something to offer from which we can learn from. Have you evolved? Are you prepared to propose some good work that we can together effect?

Otherwise, blah blah blah.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dhavlos wrote:
lol...we are never going to agree. We cant agree on unification, we cant agree on partition, we cant agree on property, we cant agree on settlers, we cant agree on democracy, we cant agree on what shoes to wear, we cant agree on what bank to switch to, we cant agree on....do you get my point?


But we can agree to disagree,Dhavlos...

That's something. Wink

We can agree to disagree even with Eric Dayi... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHEERS!

Anyway, eric, perhaps you can look into my topic: "Repulsewarrior's concept..." because I would like your evaluation of what could make it work.

I'm still hoping for your goodwill and an effort on which we can collaborate. Cyprus is an island.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Birkibrisli wrote:
Dhavlos wrote:
lol...we are never going to agree. We cant agree on unification, we cant agree on partition, we cant agree on property, we cant agree on settlers, we cant agree on democracy, we cant agree on what shoes to wear, we cant agree on what bank to switch to, we cant agree on....do you get my point?


But we can agree to disagree,Dhavlos...

That's something. Wink

We can agree to disagree even with Eric Dayi... Smile


LOL, words of a wise man who had no words left to say.

Chinese prowerb:

If you have nothing to say it is wise to say nothing. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
hello eric, long time...what makes you think that you are the center of our debates or that somehow you are better or more important than any one of us. Why take the calling of so few so personally?


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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So... you need to generalise, put us in one pot, to ridicule, somehow this makes you more whole as a person...if so your thank-you is appreciated... and you are welcome.


WTF???? Confused Confused Confused

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More importantly, have you in six months found something to offer from which we can learn from. Have you evolved? Are you prepared to propose some good work that we can together effect?


When you've evolved to my level and want to talk about partition come back and we'll talk.

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Otherwise, blah blah blah.


That's exactly what you have blahed above.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dhavlos wrote:
lol...we are never going to agree. We cant agree on unification, we cant agree on partition, we cant agree on property, we cant agree on settlers, we cant agree on democracy, we cant agree on what shoes to wear, we cant agree on what bank to switch to, we cant agree on....do you get my point?


In other words in all this time you have not managed to agree on a single thing and you blame and swear at the Piloticians for nit finding a solution, right?

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Its jsut a forum to discuss and learn, yes we wanted to create a space where we could create a solution,


Actually you have jumped the gun and spoiled my next question.



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but i think its a case of too many cooks spoil the broth.


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Ive learnt that a soluton is best left to a small group of people, who try to incorporate as much fairness as they can into a solution, but without compromising the viability/workability of a new State. The more people who try to discuss it, the harder it becomes.


Was you trying to solve the problem by not allowing all concerned to have their say? Not very demogratic is it?


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And aopther thing, ive learnt a solution is about compromise.


What if one party is and the other is not or both parties are not prepared to compromise? Is it time to go seperate ways or should they be forced to get "married"?



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Also, for anyting anyone has to say about anything in history, politics etc, there is always another side to the story. No-one holds the 'real truth' to what happened, all we have is our opinions. The more opinions we can find out about, the better our own can be shaped.


You said above "but i think its a case of too many cooks spoil the broth", I take that to mean that there were too many posters here who spoiled the atmosphere for those who were genuinely looking to discuss and find a solution but then you go on and say that "The more opinions we can find out about, the better our own can be shaped", so how do you want to shape your opinion if you don't want too many cooks giving their opinion?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
CHEERS!

Anyway, eric, perhaps you can look into my topic: "Repulsewarrior's concept..." because I would like your evaluation of what could make it work.


I think you should read it and understand it yourself first then maybe you will stop contradicting yourself and make better sense of the whole thing.

BTW, did anyone like or agree with your "idea"?

And the name of the topic [
Repulsewarrior's concept of a post-solution government ]
is a contradiction in itself don't you think?

"post-solution" means that a solution has been agreed on so what is the purpose of you suggesting a solution if a solution has already been found?

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I'm still hoping for your goodwill and an effort on which we can collaborate.


Yes, we can colloborate without any problems at all, all you have to do is agree on partitioning.


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Cyprus is an island.


So is the UK as is Australia as is Taiwan as is Japan and loads of other lands that are surrounded by water on all sides. Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexios wrote:
OK..so we all agree that Cameron Diaz is sexy.....


Really? I don't see anyone agreeing with you, where are they?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What had you expected?
That everything was settled and the forum shut down since there is nothing more to talk about?...

Eric Dayi wrote:

When you've evolved to my level and want to talk about partition come back and we'll talk.


We talk about that here:
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5205&highlight=
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