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brother
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Dhavlos
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| yeh i saw that today...it is interesting to see the view of history without heindsight...gives us all somethign to think about really |
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Meral Birinci
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| Believe it or not, this is the first time I saw a coloured picture of Makarios.. I wish school children can get to see this instead of what we have been shown for years and years.. Even now, some 12 years later I am happy to have an alternative face to this name when I need to refer to it.. |
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Eric Dayi
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ermmmm...do I remember someone saying that Makarios didn't have anything to do with terrorism or ENOSIS?
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Archbishop Makarios, the leader of the "enosis" campaign to unify Cyprus with Greece, was arrested for "actively fostering terrorism" and has been deported to the Seychelles.
British security forces have searched the archbishop's residence and say they have found one petrol bomb and ten similar bombs. |
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De_La_Soul
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One person's terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
and Makarios stopped the support of Enosis way way before EOKA B was formed. Infact, he was an enemy of EOKA B...its just manipulative liars like you distort pieces of history in order to leglise the occupation. |
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Eric Dayi
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
One person's terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
and Makarios stopped the support of Enosis way way before EOKA B was formed. Infact, he was an enemy of EOKA B...its just manipulative liars like you distort pieces of history in order to leglise the occupation. |
Yeah, yeah, we know, everyone lies except the Greeks/Greek Cypriots LOL, what a joke!  |
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De_La_Soul
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| Yeah, yeah, we know, everyone lies except the Greeks/Greek Cypriots LOL, what a joke! |
I didnt say that...but its easy to see how your trying to manipulate things again. |
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Eric Dayi
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| Yeah, yeah, we know, everyone lies except the Greeks/Greek Cypriots LOL, what a joke! |
I didnt say that...but its easy to see how your trying to manipulate things again. |
I was going to ask you to list all the countries that you believe are lying and that you have not accused of lying but I think the list will be hell of a lot shorter if I asked you to list which countries according to you do tell the truth.  |
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De_La_Soul
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| The guy from the ATCA website is trying to tell me about lieing. We saw the blatent lies that the banners on your march implied...sad old fool. |
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Eric Dayi
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
| The guy from the ATCA website is trying to tell me about lieing. We saw the blatent lies that the banners on your march implied...sad old fool. |
What lies on what banners you sad,sad young fool?
I take that you didn't reply to my question because you are overwhelmed and you know you would be lying again so you are trying to change the subject, right?  |
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Meral Birinci
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Eric Dayi,
Rather than looking at the facts, why not put them in context? History repeats.. The same British government who deported Makarios got him back as Republic of Cyprus President. Can you not see how Brits have been provocating two communities against each other?
They declared Makarios as a terrorist who was "actively fostering terrorism"at the time. So what? What does this prove? At the time Makarios was a "terrorist" so they had the right to interfere.. now Iraqis, Iranians, Afgans are terrorists... |
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Birkibrisli
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As you said,Meral,those who do not learn lessons from history are bound to repeat their mistakes...Some of us are hell bent on carrying on the great old Cypriot tradition...falling for the manipulation tactics of the imperialist powers and their divide and rule policy...And while we are at each others throats,they pat themselves and each other on the back,and go onto their next conquest.Cyprus yesterday,Iraq today,Afganistan tomorrow,Iran the day after...Top of the class,Eric,go straight to the top of the class...  |
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Eric Dayi
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| Meral Birinci wrote: |
Eric Dayi,
Rather than looking at the facts, why not put them in context? |
Meral, are you sure this is what you wanted to say?
Ley me put it this way, how can I put things in context if I don't look at the facts?
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| History repeats.. The same British government who deported Makarios got him back as Republic of Cyprus President. Can you not see how Brits have been provocating two communities against each other? |
So what you are saying is that at the time of independence talks in 59 the Brits brought back Makarios and selected him as the Government and it was not the Greek Cypriot's who elected him?
In the same context, it wasn't the Turkish Cypriot's who elected Dr. Kucuk as the VP but the Brits put him there knowing that the two would never see eye to eye and sooner or later would go at each others throats?
AM I following your "context" so far?
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| They declared Makarios as a terrorist who was "actively fostering terrorism"at the time. So what? What does this prove? At the time Makarios was a "terrorist" so they had the right to interfere.. now Iraqis, Iranians, Afgans are terrorists... |
Saddam, Milosevic, Taliban, al-qaida, are you saying that these terrorist should be left alone to carry on with killing people and be looked upon as heros?
Meral, how easy it is to put the blame on foreign powers and forget what happened at home, isn't it?
No matter what facts we look at and what context we put them in, the truth was/is and will remain that the Greek Cypriot's elected a known terrorist as their leader at the time in the hope that he (Makrios) will lead them to ENOSIS. They elected and are behind TPaps all the way for the same reason. If you want to make me believe different than you will have to write more than a few lines and explain to me exactly what you mean and what you think happened in Cyprus during 1963 to 1974. I already know that you call Turkey's peace plan an "invasion", so what else do you want to tell me that I already don't know?
Tell me one thing Meral, if you lose your case in Greek South Cyprus, who are you going to blame for that? The UK, the US or the Greek Cypriot Court/Government? |
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Eric Dayi
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| As you said,Meral,those who do not learn lessons from history are bound to repeat their mistakes... |
Bir, this is one of the very few things you said that I agree with, the thing is you don't like what I have learned and the reason why I don't want the same mistakes to be repeated again.
OTOH, you are willing to take a chance of history repeating itself.
The history of Greeks hating the very existence of the Turks/Turkish Cypriot's are centuries old and it does not stop in Cyprus even if we agree to become second class citizens in a Greek Country/island. But what do you care, you don't live in Cyprus and safely are about 5-6000 miles away and do not have to go through hell again should things go tits up.
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| Some of us are hell bent on carrying on the great old Cypriot tradition...falling for the manipulation tactics of the imperialist powers and their divide and rule policy...And while we are at each others throats,they pat themselves and each other on the back,and go onto their next conquest.Cyprus yesterday,Iraq today,Afganistan tomorrow,Iran the day after...Top of the class,Eric,go straight to the top of the class... |
See my respond to Meral on this. |
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pg
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Going back to the subject, I do not think anyone can say that force would not be 'allowed' when fighting for independence. (Did Ataturk use any force in the Turkish War of Independence?)
However, I do think that Cyprus would have been a much better place now if the fight for independence had been done without violence. A little bit of Gandhi would have helped...
Instead violence was released, and kicked of a very bad spiral of violence... and with Makarios being a man of the church... |
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