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Papadopoulos sets out to fool Annan again
Sunday, February 26, 2006
YÜKSEL SÖYLEMEZ
Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos was pushed into a corner by the new 10-point Turkish Action Plan, which forced him to counteraction. Firstly, he called these proposals a rehash and not even worth thinking about, dismissing them as a non-starter, which suited his policy of stalling any progress.
But having seen international reactions from countries that matter, like the United States, the United Kingdom -- as a guarantor power of the three 1960 treaties, and in the face of positive reactions even from the European Union Commissioner and the European Parliament, not to mention Putin's Russia, he must have thought it necessary to think again, and this he apparently did.
His second thoughts must have told Papadopoulos that he should once again try to fool U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who felt that the 10-point Turkish Action Plan proposing to restart the Cyprus negotiations was a positive step forward worth studying.
Papadopoulos had already fooled the EU in 2004 with false promises. Most probably, according to his Byzantine mind, diplomacy is all about fooling your counterparts, and he is trying to outmaneuver the Turkish plan by saying he is "ready to start the negotiations, even tomorrow." All Papadopoulos' tomorrows become yesterdays overnight in his quest to gain time by stalling. He must be blind not to see that the island is on the way to becoming permanently divided.
My considered opinion is that there is no bigger fool than he who takes the other person, his opponent, for a fool. As the dictum goes, "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."
Papadopoulos goes to Paris to meet Secretary-General Annan this coming Tuesday, with nothing in his briefcase but procedural antics. But Annan has already been fooled by him more than once, most recently in April 2004 when Papadopoulos unwisely urged the Greek Cypriots to kill the Annan Plan outright, which they dutifully did by voting with an unceremonious "ohi" in the referendum.
The Annan Plan, which basically recognized equal status for the Turkish Cypriots in a future federal state of Cyprus, never saw the light of day. In his heart of hearts the secretary-general must be livid with Papadopoulos for denigrating and debasing his plan by trampling on his reputation as an honest broker. The deeply disappointed Annan was left with a stillborn plan in his hand, a peace proposal for Cyprus that the U.N. Security Council then proceeded to disown, rather than support and adopt this legitimate effort to solve the Cyprus question, whatever its admitted pluses and minuses. It was a Pyrrhic victory for Papadopoulos and his tactics in outflanking Annan and the opportunity for peace, and in this he was assisted by the negative stance of Russia.
This week Papadopoulos stopped in Vienna to meet EU term president Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel, just to complain about candidate Turkey. Schuessel agreed with him that Turkish ports should be opened to Greek Cypriot ships before the end of the year. On the same day, in a calculated move to create tension, Papadopoulos sent a Greek Cypriot vessel to Mersin in a deliberate attempt to force the issue, knowing full well that the ship would not be given permission to dock. Prime Minister Erdogan's reply was swift and brisk, to paraphrase, "Recognition of Greek Cyprus is not a precondition for EU membership of Turkey." Opening Turkish ports to Greek Cypriot vessels means de facto recognition of Greek Cyprus.
Papadopoulos goes to Paris with a three-point proposal to offer Annan. The counter-offer is this: Firstly, that there should be no mediator, no go-between in the negotiations, nor should the United Nations, Annan or his representative be involved in the negotiations or clandestinely eavesdrop, but instead watch from the 38th floor office of U.N. headquarters in New York, binoculars in hand, for fear that the United Nations will meddle and take sides. No need for interlocutors to help, assist or contribute to the illusion that negotiations are in progress, hence no report to the Security Council making the proceedings public, to blame one party or both.
According to the second Papadopoulos procedural condition, there should be no time limit for the negotiations, so that the haggling can continue ad infinitum, ad nauseam, with ample opportunities for filibustering. Consequently, there will be no breakup, postponement or adjournment at any time so that these pre-doomed negotiations can last for months, years or forever.
According to the third Papadopoulos condition as reported in the media, there will be no referenda unless the parties agree to the outcome of the negotiations. This condition, specifically addressed to the U.N. secretary-general as a criticism of his previous suggestion, defies established practice and even ordinary logic.
Papadopoulos, before going to Paris, made these three procedural points against the 10-point Action Plan of Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul without addressing or referring to any of the 10 points. He declared outright the self-styled "success" of his conditions as a great Greek Cypriot victory before the scheduled meeting had even taken place stating that the secretary-general had agreed with his conditions.
Having strangled the Annan plan at birth, this time Papadopoulos intends to convince Kofi Annan of his serious intention of negotiating with him in Paris. Annan is a man of great innate diplomatic courtesy and limitless experience in his last year of office, and he will no doubt listen to Papadopoulos with politeness but also with a heavy heart and unbearable patience, only to tell him as a matter of diplomatic nicety that he will study his procedural proposals and come back to him.
Observing the Paris encounter from a distance and in advance may look like a harmless ballroom dance, but it is really totally and completely useless beating around the bush, in its gloss and tarnished veneer a good photo opportunity before the May elections in Greek Cyprus. To one who is not illiterate and ignorant of the personal history of Papadopoulos and the general history of the question of Cyprus, even hoping against hope the Paris encounter is and will be a total no-go.
In line with his usual behavior, Papadopoulos will most likely pull his best trick from his sleeve just before saying goodbye to Annan, to paraphrase: "Mr. Secretary-General, I am ready to negotiate even tomorrow, but I have one personal request from you, and I am sure you will sympathize with me, that this time the negotiations should begin and be completed with an agreement, with success, but under your guarantee."
Did the secretary-general hear him correctly? Probably he did, but he would have preferred to be hard of hearing, otherwise his reaction would be described as flabbergasted and stupefied, with a grin on his face, "But Mr. President, how can anyone guarantee...?
You are indeed a fool if you think you can fool all of the people all of the time. |
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/editorial.php?ed=yuksel_soylemez |
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Ferforge
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I am not sure whether his time is running out or not...
yes, it is true that babadop is unique, acting as a perfect spice merchant of damascus bazaar. but you should consider the "national front disco" in south after him.. he may well be elected even with a higher vote. |
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Yes but that wouldn't be because of the nationalistic front. Its because everyone we trusted in the past sold us. So we have no other option.
Actually we do, Cristofias is the the other option.But he is a communist I dont think the Americans will accept. You know even Papadopoulos went to the US to get their permission before becoming president. |
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Yes but that wouldn't be because of the nationalistic front. Its because everyone we trusted in the past sold us. So we have no other option.
Actually we do, Cristofias is the the other option.But he is a communist I dont think the Americans will accept. You know even Papadopoulos went to the US to get their permission before becoming president. |
What the hell are you talking here about Mic? I can't believe what I am reading! I think you put too much importance to the Americans, more than the one they themselves assume! |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
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Yes but that wouldn't be because of the nationalistic front. Its because everyone we trusted in the past sold us. So we have no other option.
Actually we do, Cristofias is the the other option.But he is a communist I dont think the Americans will accept. You know even Papadopoulos went to the US to get their permission before becoming president. |
What the hell are you talking here about Mic? I can't believe what I am reading! I think you put too much importance to the Americans, more than the one they themselves assume! |
Hisser of Paphos, what's the matter. Can't deal with reality even when your brethren speaks of truth? How much you want for your house? Or are you still renting?  |
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MicAtCyp
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| What the hell are you talking here about Mic? I can't believe what I am reading! I think you put too much importance to the Americans, more than the one they themselves assume! |
Not really. It was our side in its full that gave that much trust and importance to them, and virtually put our faith in their hands.
I am telling the truth as always Kifeas.At that time the new initiative (behind which there were the Anglo Americans) was at its verge. The Americans wanted either Klerides (remember the 16 months proposal without elections?) or someone they would trust to be the President, if they were supposely to continue the initiative that lead to the Anan Plan. And yes, Papadopoulos went to the US before becoming a President (or was it a bit after I am not sure on this), to convince them he will be as "co-operative" as Klerides was. He did not just go there for his usual medical checkup, he spent about 10 days there. There was not much publicity on this matter anyway because they all said he went there just for the medical check up.
Now can you possibly comment on the implications of Christofias becoming a President given the fact that he is a known client of Russia? And or for what reasons Papadopoulos will be re-elected? |
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TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do.  |
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
I have this image of you drooling at the prospect of a Tpap re-election but i do not share this with you and hope that he is either defeated or ill health forces him out. |
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| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
I have this image of you drooling at the prospect of a Tpap re-election but i do not share this with you and hope that he is either defeated or ill health forces him out. |
You can call that "drooling" if you like brother but it really isn't, you know deep inside that what I say is the truth. He will be re-elected because the Greek Cypriot's want to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus or failing that partition so that they can rule their side without and interference form us Turkish Cypriot's. Can you tell me anything the Greek Cypriot's have done to make me not think/believe this? |
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
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| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
I have this image of you drooling at the prospect of a Tpap re-election but i do not share this with you and hope that he is either defeated or ill health forces him out. |
You can call that "drooling" if you like brother but it really isn't, you know deep inside that what I say is the truth. He will be re-elected because the Greek Cypriot's want to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus or failing that partition so that they can rule their side without and interference form us Turkish Cypriot's. Can you tell me anything the Greek Cypriot's have done to make me not think/believe this? |
I agree that the current Republic of Cyprus goverment has done more harm to cyprus than most others and the Tpap admin has soured the Turkish Cypriot very much BUT then were we not guilty of the same crimes under Denktash for an even longer period of time when the Greek Cypriot were genuinely trying to unite and Denktash was just intrested in partition and nothing else. |
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Eric Dayi
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| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
I have this image of you drooling at the prospect of a Tpap re-election but i do not share this with you and hope that he is either defeated or ill health forces him out. |
You can call that "drooling" if you like brother but it really isn't, you know deep inside that what I say is the truth. He will be re-elected because the Greek Cypriot's want to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus or failing that partition so that they can rule their side without and interference form us Turkish Cypriot's. Can you tell me anything the Greek Cypriot's have done to make me not think/believe this? |
I agree that the current Republic of Cyprus goverment has done more harm to cyprus than most others and the Tpap admin has soured the Turkish Cypriot very much BUT then were we not guilty of the same crimes under Denktash for an even longer period of time when the Greek Cypriot were genuinely trying to unite and Denktash was just intrested in partition and nothing else. |
It is only because Denktash knew, as we do now and have always known, that t he unification would be under false pretenses, would not last long, as it didn't in 1963, and would lead to another armed conflict.
Can you put your hand on your heart and say that the Greek Cypriot's genuinely have our (Turkish Cypriot's) best interest in their hearts? Or do they only think of their own best interests and that is to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus and us Turkish Cypriot's as a "Muslim minority" without any say in the running of the country? |
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
i think it is unfair to say this, unless you look at the opposition who he will face. if there is obvious opposition, with strong feelings for unification and negotiations, but do not get elected, then maybe one is justified in saying this.
However, like in the Uk(with Blair), if there is no real opposition, then the person in power is going to stay in power, due to voter apathy...i would also look at the percentages of his support when he does/does not get elected.
I personally do not like tpap cos he is not doing anything to start negotiations. |
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
I have this image of you drooling at the prospect of a Tpap re-election but i do not share this with you and hope that he is either defeated or ill health forces him out. |
You can call that "drooling" if you like brother but it really isn't, you know deep inside that what I say is the truth. He will be re-elected because the Greek Cypriot's want to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus or failing that partition so that they can rule their side without and interference form us Turkish Cypriot's. Can you tell me anything the Greek Cypriot's have done to make me not think/believe this? |
I agree that the current Republic of Cyprus goverment has done more harm to cyprus than most others and the Tpap admin has soured the Turkish Cypriot very much BUT then were we not guilty of the same crimes under Denktash for an even longer period of time when the Greek Cypriot were genuinely trying to unite and Denktash was just intrested in partition and nothing else. |
It is only because Denktash knew, as we do now and have always known, that t he unification would be under false pretenses, would not last long, as it didn't in 1963, and would lead to another armed conflict.
Can you put your hand on your heart and say that the Greek Cypriot's genuinely have our (Turkish Cypriot's) best interest in their hearts? Or do they only think of their own best interests and that is to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus and us Turkish Cypriot's as a "Muslim minority" without any say in the running of the country? |
The reason the state collapsed back in the 60's was because on both sides we had other motives like ENOSIS and TAKSIM so we were all adament in killing our new republic for our own selfish reasons.
If we negotiate with honesty then there is no reason why it should fail.
To answer your question, the Greek Cypriot do have their own interests at heart like the Turkish Cypriot have theirs but this is an exscuse from the people who want to partition the island to justify their claim.
Now you answer me;
Can you honestly say that the average Greek Cypriot citizen would ever have a problem with you??
Would it not better serve us in a unified island where all the cypriots pull in the same direction??? |
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Eric Dayi
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
i think it is unfair to say this, unless you look at the opposition who he will face. if there is obvious opposition, with strong feelings for unification and negotiations, but do not get elected, then maybe one is justified in saying this. |
If there is obvious opposition , well, is there?
If he is re-elected then it will finally prove that the majority of Greek Cypriot's are right behind him and he is doing exactly what the Greek Cypriot's want and that is either to rule the whole island on their own or failing that partition so that there will be no Turkish Cypriot's meddling in with their ruling of their country, am I right?
OTOH, if he loses by a smal margin then it will prove that a significant number of Greek Cypriot's do not want to live with the Turkish Cypriot's and do not want to have anything to do with us.
I believe that he will win by a large margin because I remember a survey I read not many moons ago that the majority of Greek Cypriot's approve with the way TPaps is handling the Cyprus issue. This survey BTW was carried out by Greek Cypriot's, who they were I can't remember.
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| However, like in the Uk(with Blair), if there is no real opposition, then the person in power is going to stay in power, due to voter apathy... |
Exactly.
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| i would also look at the percentages of his support when he does/does not get elected. |
See above.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention above, let's not forget the popularity he is gaining by handing out deeds just before the elections.
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| I personally do not like tpap cos he is not doing anything to start negotiations. |
Well, not long to go now and we'll find out. |
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| TPaps will be re-elected because he is doing everything what the Greek Cypriot's want and expect him to do. |
I have this image of you drooling at the prospect of a Tpap re-election but i do not share this with you and hope that he is either defeated or ill health forces him out. |
You can call that "drooling" if you like brother but it really isn't, you know deep inside that what I say is the truth. He will be re-elected because the Greek Cypriot's want to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus or failing that partition so that they can rule their side without and interference form us Turkish Cypriot's. Can you tell me anything the Greek Cypriot's have done to make me not think/believe this? |
I agree that the current Republic of Cyprus goverment has done more harm to cyprus than most others and the Tpap admin has soured the Turkish Cypriot very much BUT then were we not guilty of the same crimes under Denktash for an even longer period of time when the Greek Cypriot were genuinely trying to unite and Denktash was just intrested in partition and nothing else. |
It is only because Denktash knew, as we do now and have always known, that t he unification would be under false pretenses, would not last long, as it didn't in 1963, and would lead to another armed conflict.
Can you put your hand on your heart and say that the Greek Cypriot's genuinely have our (Turkish Cypriot's) best interest in their hearts? Or do they only think of their own best interests and that is to be the sole rulers of the whole of Cyprus and us Turkish Cypriot's as a "Muslim minority" without any say in the running of the country? |
The reason the state collapsed back in the 60's was because on both sides we had other motives like ENOSIS and TAKSIM so we were all adament in killing our new republic for our own selfish reasons. |
"Taksim" was put aside when we signed tand entered the 1960 constitution but was again brought back to life after the hundreds of years ENOSIS dream of the Greek Cypriot's was started in a brutal and bloody extermination of the Turkish Cypriots.
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| If we negotiate with honesty then there is no reason why it should fail. |
To have an honest negotiation you have to find honest partners to deal with. The Greek Cypriot's signed the 1960 agreement with a pen in one hand and a knife in the other.
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| To answer your question, the Greek Cypriot do have their own interests at heart like the Turkish Cypriot have theirs but this is an exscuse from the people who want to partition the island to justify their claim. |
This I agree with you but what can you do if someone is trying his best to supress you and degrade you into a minority in your own country, agree with him?
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Now you answer me;
Can you honestly say that the average Greek Cypriot citizen would ever have a problem with you?? |
The majority of Greek Cypriot's did, have and will have for a long time to come. This has been proven time and time again.
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| Would it not better serve us in a unified island where all the cypriots pull in the same direction??? |
SOmetimes you have to pull in the opposite direction in order to survive and this is exactly what we Turkish Cypriot's are trying to do. There is no survival for us Turkish Cypriot's in a Greek Cypriot controlled country. The soone we all realise this the better for all concerned. |
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