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ammoxwstos
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| Personally I believe as a Greek Cypriot that the veto right that Nicosia has is only theoretical.... |
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| ammoxwstos wrote: |
| Personally I believe as a Greek Cypriot that the veto right that Nicosia has is only theoretical.... |
I don't agree with you my friend
As an EU member cyprus has the right just like any of the other 24 countries to use that vote to object to anything it wishes.
currently the veto may be used in the game of cat and mouse with Turkey.
I think the question may be whether or not it would be a wise move
If the time comes that Turkey has no real chance of joining the EU then i think Turkey will probably look back at whether or not Cyprus used its veto to be an obstacle in its way.
If that happends then i think we(T/c's & G/c's) can kiss goodbye to a lasting settlement.
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erolz
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| ammoxwstos wrote: |
| Personally I believe as a Greek Cypriot that the veto right that Nicosia has is only theoretical.... |
Welcome to the forum ammoxwstos. |
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100%cypriot
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| ammoxwstos wrote: |
| Personally I believe as a Greek Cypriot that the veto right that Nicosia has is only theoretical.... |
I think the word veto should be changed to stick for hitting someone when they are not looking
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turkkan
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At one point Tpap will definately use the veto option. He really cant do anything else at this point, both turkey and the Republic of Cyprus have pushed themselves into a corner. With elections coming, no international aid for the Turkish Cypriot for their yes response to the annan plan, rising nationalism in turkey, and also something that most people forget, a lack of desire to betray the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, turkey can simply not open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus and recognise it. It is quite unthinkable at this point. And with all the rhetoric the Republic of Cyprus has been going with concerning the veto, they cant NOT use it.
The question who gains the most after? Turkey will be surely affected by a veto, but nevertheless, its not as if its going anywhere or we are. The Republic of Cyprus will be able to boast for several years that they vetoed turkey, but at the end of the day there will be no concessions whatsoever made by our side in Cyprus, once turkeys path has been derailed, countries you consider friends, such as Austria, france, etc will stop paying attention to Cyprus, and the status quo will stay like this for a long time. |
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100%cypriot
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At one point Tpap will definately use the veto option. He really cant do anything else at this point, both turkey and the Republic of Cyprus have pushed themselves into a corner. With elections coming, no international aid for the Turkish Cypriot for their yes response to the annan plan, rising nationalism in turkey, and also something that most people forget, a lack of desire to betray the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, turkey can simply not open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus and recognise it. It is quite unthinkable at this point. And with all the rhetoric the Republic of Cyprus has been going with concerning the veto, they cant NOT use it.
The question who gains the most after? Turkey will be surely affected by a veto, but nevertheless, its not as if its going anywhere or we are. The Republic of Cyprus will be able to boast for several years that they vetoed turkey, but at the end of the day there will be no concessions whatsoever made by our side in Cyprus, once turkeys path has been derailed, countries you consider friends, such as Austria, france, etc will stop paying attention to Cyprus, and the status quo will stay like this for a long time. |
You are 100% right but you managed to put it in more technical terms than i did
The other question is who gains the Least ?
T/C's of course |
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turkkan
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| CYpriot, only in the short run, in the long run, as the years pass and htey become decades, it will be harder for the international community to demand that we give up the land in the proportions we are speaking about now. What are they going to say, that 45 years after the war, and 55 years after trouble started, we should go back to living mixed together? It dosent seem likely, the will of the Greek Cypriot to get their land back might not have diminish, but their will to live with us would certainly have. |
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100%cypriot
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| turkkan wrote: |
| CYpriot, only in the short run, in the long run, as the years pass and htey become decades, it will be harder for the international community to demand that we give up the land in the proportions we are speaking about now. What are they going to say, that 45 years after the war, and 55 years after trouble started, we should go back to living mixed together? It dosent seem likely, the will of the Greek Cypriot to get their land back might not have diminish, but their will to live with us would certainly have. |
And also the will of the T/c's to survive independently will get stronger day by day,
It may only be a fledgeling now but one day its voice will be heard by all.
Why is it that the will of the T/c's to get their homes etc etc back comes across as weaker? |
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turkkan
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Why is it that the will of the T/c's to get their homes etc etc back comes across as weaker?
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We got more land than we lost in 74, although some of us were made refugees twice in 63 and 67. The Turkish Cypriots in general do not wish to return to their original land, it makes sense dosent it since we got more land? I personally have more land in the south than in the north, but you know we live in a house that belonged to a Greek Cypriot with my 2 aunts, their husbands, and my grandma. It is a big house but you can realise that things arent that great. Nevertheless for 30 years we have called it home and raised our family in it, there isnt another home for us now. |
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100%cypriot
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Why is it that the will of the T/c's to get their homes etc etc back comes across as weaker?
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We got more land than we lost in 74, although some of us were made refugees twice in 63 and 67. The Turkish Cypriots in general do not wish to return to their original land, it makes sense dosent it since we got more land? I personally have more land in the south than in the north, but you know we live in a house that belonged to a Greek Cypriot with my 2 aunts, their husbands, and my grandma. It is a big house but you can realise that things arent that great. Nevertheless for 30 years we have called it home and raised our family in it, there isnt another home for us now. |
My thoughts are with you on this as i also have land that my father left me in lourocina but the problem is i have 3 army's sitting on it so if there is never a solution i will never ever see it again.
its a price to pay but worth paying for freedom.
safety and equality in a united cyprus is fast becoming a dream |
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turkkan
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| Cypriot, if you dont mind me asking, youre profile says london taxi driver, what part of london are you from? |
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100%cypriot
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| Cypriot, if you dont mind me asking, youre profile says london taxi driver, what part of london are you from? |
I live in surrey just outside london, but i work in central london,, i spent four and a half years doing The Knowledge and since then it has made my brain a sponge, i just love to learn now. |
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turkkan
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| are you planning to retire in Cyprus? |
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100%cypriot
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| are you planning to retire in Cyprus? |
I don't think i can with my children being half turkish cypriot and half greek cypriot,
the racism is too strong and it is unfair on them, they did not choose what language their mother and father speak |
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turkkan
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| are you the guy in that article then, who married that Greek Cypriot woman who went to see her father who owned a night club etc etc after ten years? |
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