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Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

There has been yet another bloody week in Turkey's east with many soldiers killed in PKK attacks...This is obviously the biggest problem facing Turkey today...Yet,Erdogan seems to be peoccupied with Palestine,Gazza,and Israel....WHY????

Quote: Following a bloody weekend in the country’s Southeast, Turkey has announced that it will restructure its intelligence and military operations in an attempt to stop the growing attacks by the outlawed Kurdistan Worker........

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-to-review-anti-pkk-fight-plans-new-strategy-2010-06-21

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

And here is an unusual response from Egemen Bagish,the Minister in charge of Turkey's EU bid....He has actually expressed sorrow for the PKK dead as well...Is there a beam of hope here? Is humanity finally winning over brutality in politics....? What do people think???

Quote: Unfortunately, eight of our soldiers were martyred today in the morning hours. We have [also] learned that 12 of our youth, who were born and grew up on this land, lost their lives during the shootout. Fire has fallen upon 20 homes, and I share the grief of the 20 families,” Bağış, who is also Turkey’s chief EU negotiator, said Saturday at a meeting at the Van Chamber of Industry....

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=minister-bagis-shares-the-grief-of-both-sides-2010-06-21

repulsewarrior · Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject:

...i think it's the "Bush syndrome"

when in doubt start a war.

as for the minister, cynically speaking, i imagine that the compassion has a poiltical motive as well; as though the goverment is at arms length, it includes the representation and respect of all its citizens without discrimination, and the terrorists are a population apart.

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

repulsewarrior wrote: ...i think it's the "Bush syndrome"

when in doubt start a war.

as for the minister, cynically speaking, i imagine that the compassion has a poiltical motive as well; as though the goverment is at arms length, it includes the representation and respect of all its citizens without discrimination, and the terrorists are a population apart.

It is a very stupid situation,RW...Some of the soldiers killed are also of Kurdish background...I cannot believe that successive governments over a period of nearly 30 years have not seriously addressed the Kurdish issue...And these clowns want to solve every international issue other than their biggest one... :roll:

repulsewarrior · Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:56 am Post subject:

cyprus will play an important role in Turkey and the world politics you are describing if the words Bicommunal and Bizonal are defined in a manner where Nation and State gain clearer distinctions.

when NapoleanIII, came up with the idea of Nationalism, it was a way for him to convince Germans who lived in France that they were French.

similarly, Ataturk had as his allies the Kurds in creating Turkey. It is the Kemalist which failed his vision, and in France, unless they too overcome the bigotry they share, their Nation will fall into violent dispute with the other Nations that make up the State in which they live.

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

repulsewarrior wrote: cyprus will play an important role in Turkey and the world politics you are describing if the words Bicommunal and Bizonal are defined in a manner where Nation and State gain clearer distinctions.

when NapoleanIII, came up with the idea of Nationalism, it was a way for him to convince Germans who lived in France that they were French.

similarly, Ataturk had as his allies the Kurds in creating Turkey. It is the Kemalist which failed his vision, and in France, unless they too overcome the bigotry they share, their Nation will fall into violent dispute with the other Nations that make up the State in which they live.

Nationalism is certainly proving to be a deadly notion...Why is it that humanitarianism did not have the same hold on people??? It is the tribal instinc I suppose...Our animal side wnats to belong to something just large enough to make us feel secure...Too large and we feel lost again...

What do you mean by this???

Quote: if the words Bicommunal and Bizonal are defined in a manner where Nation and State gain clearer distinctions.

repulsewarrior · Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:51 am Post subject:

Bicommunal if it is defined appropriately will not solve a "Greek/Turk" issue. it is not the Problem. Rather, it will give us an identity as Individuals, citizens of a State, and Persons an indentity we nurture sustaining a community.

similarly, Bizonal will not decide how something is to be split into two parts, it will define a whole which is described as having components.

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

Whatever happens I hope some Cypriots of different ethnic backgrounds would get to live together....This will pave the way towards true unification one day,when Greek/Turkish nationalism is not a defining factor in people's lives.... 8)

repulsewarrior · Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:57 am Post subject:

...it is the future Bir, this fate was sealed with our joining the EU.

the population of Cyprus is not 12.5 million yet, but it will be in about 200 years. we cannot resist the future, especially if Humanity can overcome the scourge of famine and disease in Africa, or the Ignorance we witness today in the middle east.

so, little Cyprus is the center of a universe; it is up to Cypriots to get beyond what was before, politically speaking. we are commited to a role where we must lead. as Greeks and Turks we must persue an identity which is strange to us because of the Principals as Nations we hold dear looking behind us. looking forward toward creating a State which reflects the qualities of Humanity, our demonstration should be a bigger set of Principals for the world's betterment.

...in that regard fifty years is not a long time to wait, just so long as we get it right.

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

Getting back to the Kurdish problem..Here is an interesting article from the Hurriyet's English version.....

Quote: First bigwigs who need heavy security at funeral rites

Mr. Erdoğan is also the first prime minister who has good reasons to avert funeral rites for victims of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK. Pity, his Cabinet ministers and parliament speaker, Bülent Arınç, are the first bigwigs who need heavy guarding at the funeral rites for soldiers. For the first time since 1984, the beginning of PKK terror, the widow of an officer refused condolences from government ministers.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=a-necessary-reprint-2010-06-24

repulsewarrior · Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject:

...interesting isn't it, that a soldier's family refuses the condolences of the government the deceased fought for. say's a lot that the prime minister would need a heavy guard at the fallen's funeral.

even if Turkey's agenda is filled with other external distractions, those issues which are internal and a danger to the State continue to fester. so long as "Turks" continue to think that Turks are "Turkish" by ethnic origin, the alienated will fight for there own identity.