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[Bananiot]

Nicos Rolandis, has listed 15 occasions on which the Greek Cypriot side has rejected a proposed solution to our problem, since 1948. Here they are:

1. 1948: Consultative Assembly: We rejected it
2. 1955-56: Harding proposals: We rejected them
3. 1956: Ratcliffe Constitution: We rejected it
4. 1958: Macmillan Plan: We rejected it
5. 1959-1960: Zurich-London Agreements: We accepted them but rejected them in 1963 through the efforts to amend the Constitution
6. 1964: Acheson Plan: We rejected it
7. 1972: Klerides-Denktash Agreement: We rejected it
8. 1975: Bicommunal Arrangement: We rejected it
9. 1978: Anglo-American-Canadian Plan: We rejected it
10. 1981: Waldheim's Evaluation: We rejected it
11. 1983: Cuelliar's Indicators: We rejected them
12. 1985-86: Cuelliar's consolidated Documents: we rejected them
13. 1992: Ghali's Set of ideas: We rejected them
14. 1997: Annan's Proposals at Troutbeck Glion: They could not go through
15. 2002-2004: Annan plan: We rejected it.

[100%cypriot]

So what does that tell you ?
WHO does not want a solution ?

[depurple]

Boys don't know about the TOP ones BUT I do about these so called solutions!
7. 1972: Klerides-Denktash Agreement: We rejected it (1972? I thought it was 1974?) Theses 2 money hungry bastards had a plan? I bet it was to their own and there mates financial gain!
ALL the rest below only divided Cyprus and many like me had to forfeit Kyrenia for peanuts!IT was a way to sweep the 1974 UN resolution on Turkey under the carpet and make TURKEY smile!
8. 1975: Bicommunal Arrangement: We rejected it
9. 1978: Anglo-American-Canadian Plan: We rejected it
10. 1981: Waldheim's Evaluation: We rejected it
11. 1983: Cuelliar's Indicators: We rejected them
12. 1985-86: Cuelliar's consolidated Documents: we rejected them
13. 1992: Ghali's Set of ideas: We rejected them
14. 1997: Annan's Proposals at Troutbeck Glion: They could not go through
15. 2002-2004: Annan plan: We rejected it.
(The biggest JOKE of the them? Annan Plan UNITE Cyprus? OR divided it for ever?)
cheers!

[stavrizatz]

Quote: Nicos Rolandis, has listed 15 occasions on which the Greek Cypriot side has rejected a proposed solution to our problem, since 1948. Here they are:

And what is our problem? Because from 1948 we have different problems.

Quote: 1. 1948: Consultative Assembly: We rejected it
2. 1955-56: Harding proposals: We rejected them
3. 1956: Ratcliffe Constitution: We rejected it
4. 1958: Macmillan Plan: We rejected it
5. 1959-1960: Zurich-London Agreements:

At the time the problem was colonisation and the solution was liberation from the bonds of domination and none of the above 5 offered a solution to our problem.

Quote: 6. 1964: Acheson Plan: We rejected it
7. 1972: Klerides-Denktash Agreement: We rejected it

At the time the problem was intercommunal and intracommunal violence and the solution was peace and the peaceful return of refugees, none of the above offered a solution to our problem.

Quote: 8. 1975: Bicommunal Arrangement: We rejected it
9. 1978: Anglo-American-Canadian Plan: We rejected it
10. 1981: Waldheim's Evaluation: We rejected it
11. 1983: Cuelliar's Indicators: We rejected them
12. 1985-86: Cuelliar's consolidated Documents: we rejected them
13. 1992: Ghali's Set of ideas: We rejected them
14. 1997: Annan's Proposals at Troutbeck Glion: They could not go through
15. 2002-2004: Annan plan: We rejected it.

The problem is a problem of invation and occupation of one third of our island, a problem of iidentity, a problem of land ownership, a problem of illegal settling and the solution is the creation of oneness between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and the establishment of peace culture through education, the return of refugees, the diportation of settlers. None of the above offers a solution to our problem.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed

and may I add that in many of these solutions the interests of the interlocutors, to divide and to leave Cypriots impotent over their sovereignty of the island as a whole were sustained by reinforcing the affect that somehow as people, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are to be divided and kept isolated from each other. ...Nevermind the Injustice that has resulted from this kind of intolerant thinking, and the bigotry which has flourished as a result.

[depurple]

Hey RW you are Right and WHO has benefited over the division of Cyprus?
Can I say it one more time again!
Greece!
Turkey!
The POMS!
AND corrupt Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot!
cheers!

[depurple]

PS TELL ME!
Would all these clowns above support ANY solution to Cyprus?
I DON'T THINK SO!
The solution for THEM is already here my Friends!
Yes you all all living in their solution!
It is what we have now!
Promises everything!
Give them nothing!
And TRY and take what ever else they may have!
cheers!

[depurple]

PS and the Huge Flag on the mountain is not for the Greek Cypriot but to remind the any Turkish Cypriot who ask are thinking for a UNITED Cyprus!
AND if that doesn't work?
The 40,000 Turkish Troops will do the trick!
cheers

[repulsewarrior]

Really Mr. B, you know that it is not that simple. the real issue is that a 'made in Cyprus' resolution must be possible, unless the leadership really is in service to interlocutary powers.

either way, with a population that is so small, it is possible for a grass root movement to effectively express themselves with proposals that are new, or whose principal is without compromise.

...something like the United Cyprus meeting this March may be a good stimulus.

[depurple]

The Bastards shot President Jose Ramos-Horta of East Timor and 101% Indonesia was behind it: They want to cause havoc JUST to stop Bali, Achae and others asking for Independence:
That is exactly what Turkey would do with any Turkish Cypriot who asked for a united Cyprus:
With the Kosova issue it will be very interesting: Turkey will ask for recognition of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the WORLD will ask for recognition of a Kurdish State Lets see IF Turkey is willing to do both?
cheers!
PS it is rumored they assassinated Ouzla because he was too close with the Kurds!

[repulsewarrior]

,,,needless to say, Rauf Denktash has been sited, I think by all of the SG's at the UN over his thirty year+ career, representing the Turkish Cypriot cause,

...and yet I think in a way he was right, so too Makarios, because they are people who did not shirk excellence, such as the original Constitution, and the Treaty of Zurich, their heart was for one island, and one State. More so, because no one has replaced Makarios as our Statesman, and it took Denktash to open the gates.

As yet the Greek Cypriot population has not effected a Bicommunal nature of the politic in their affairs, so we remain at an impasse, worse still from the Junta blunder which resulted in so much more suffering with the Turkish Army's Illegal Acts.

The time has given the Turkish Cypriots an opportunity to galvanise their thoughts with a form of self representation where the disruption of a changing demographic and toponomy has made the issue far more complex.

We have this opportunity in 2008, so much hangs in the balance, and I hope this time we have reached a zenith where real progress will add to the populations' confidence that there is a resolution where, as Cypriots it is possible to stand united, because we, as Cypriots, also choose to identify ourselves as Grecophone, or Turcophone, as well.

[depurple]

Personally I don't think there will be a solution UNTIL Turkey joins the EU!
So there is a long wait because I think Turkey is NOT close to EU ideologies and the EU criteria as yet! Maybe in 20years! But not know!
Most say if Turkey didn't occupy Constantinople it would never have been considered at all for EU membership!
BUT they want Turkey in so it doesn't become like Iran and so that one day it will open up the Churches for freedom of Religion and it also ends it occupation Of Cyprus:
So there is a lot of HOPE there my Friends!
Lets hope they are right!
cheers