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boomerang · Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

city wrote: In my opinion Baghdatis needs to stand up and make clear what he meant and what his position is.
Either he is a racist or was just chanting along a group without thinking of it or whatever. An apolgy might be appropriate as well.
This ongoing discussion doesn't do any good for no one. He should be grown up enough to see that this incident is harming not only his very own reputation as a person and a Cypriot but also causes trouble on a much greater scale.
Especially under the light of his latest appointment as 'ambassador for intercultural dialogue'. I find this appointment at this very point in time absolutely disgraceful.
Also international media have noted that move of the Republic of Cyprus government with astonishment.

I am afraid you have been caught up in the hype city...

Please allow my 2cent input...If I was to show a turkish flag and said, would the turk please stand up, how many Turkish Cypriots you think will?...If I was to show a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus flag and said would the Turkish Cypriot please stand up, how many turks you think will stand up?...

In this context one can clearly see exactly what Markos means when he says turks out of Cyprus...Actually there is no other context apart of a hyped individual running around blabbering...

About politics in sports here is an example...
Quote: Tiger Woods – "I thought there would have been more of us now."
Signs of a politically active Tiger Woods...Racist or says racism exists...either way he is politically motivated...who exactly is us if they are all Americans?...

stavrizatz · Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject:

city wrote: In my opinion Baghdatis needs to stand up and make clear what he meant and what his position is.
Either he is a racist or was just chanting along a group without thinking of it or whatever. An apolgy might be appropriate as well.
This ongoing discussion doesn't do any good for no one. He should be grown up enough to see that this incident is harming not only his very own reputation as a person and a Cypriot but also causes trouble on a much greater scale.
Especially under the light of his latest appointment as 'ambassador for intercultural dialogue'. I find this appointment at this very point in time absolutely disgraceful.
Also international media have noted that move of the Republic of Cyprus government with astonishment.

He allready did, he said "There has been a lot of coverage of me appearing in a video on YouTube, In that video from 2007, I was supporting the interest of my country, Cyprus, while protesting against a situation that is not recognized by the United Nations."
meaning protesting against the illegal invasion and occupation of Cyprus by Turkey for the last 33 years. He had nothing to apologise because he said nothing wrong. Those who need to apologise imo are those who allged him, the Turkish Cypriot community of Australia and the media that quickly rushed to jumb to conclusions. He didn't even mix sports with politics as he the video was not filmed during any sporting event but in his private life.

Dimou · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Melbourne

stavrizatz wrote: He allready did, he said "There has been a lot of coverage of me appearing in a video on YouTube, In that video from 2007, I was supporting the interest of my country, Cyprus, while protesting against a situation that is not recognized by the United Nations."
meaning protesting against the illegal invasion and occupation of Cyprus by Turkey

That's a rather ODD statement then if you're interpreting in that way

For the last week all I have seen from Bagdatis apologists is cries of "He's only saying what the UN said, "Turkish Troops Out Of Cyprus" yet Marcos himself claims CLEARLY in that statement that he is "protesting against a situation that is NOT RECOGNISED by the UN" so in Baghdatis' OWN WORDS then, he cannot possibly be protesting against Turkish Troops presence on Cyprus , as this is a situation that you all know and sing loudly about being well and truly recognized by the UN

How come you and he all manage to contradict each other so effectively ?

boomerang · Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

stavrizatz · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:44 am Post subject:

Dimou wrote: For the last week all I have seen from Bagdatis apologists is cries of "He's only saying what the UN said, "Turkish Troops Out Of Cyprus" yet Marcos himself claims CLEARLY in that statement that he is "protesting against a situation that is NOT RECOGNISED by the UN" so in Baghdatis' OWN WORDS then, he cannot possibly be protesting against Turkish Troops presence on Cyprus , as this is a situation that you all know and sing loudly about being well and truly recognized by the UN

The above statement shows your ignorance. I think you better get your facts right, the UN never recognised the 1974 invasion as a legitimate action and they have called for the withdrawal of the Turkish occupying forces.

Khan · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1092 Location: London

I think what is far more serious, if we ignore his Turks out of Cyprus chant for a minute, is that he is partying with a group who on its website publishes chants which incite fans to call Turks "Mongols" and Turkish Cypriots "pussies" or that the "only good turk is a dead turk".

The fact that he has not in anyway chosen to distance himself from this group is a disgrace, more so considering his recent appointment as "intercultural ambassador".

Leon · Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 240 Location: England

Khan, I disagree. The US presedential candidate Ron Paul has a big following among White nationalists but that doesn't make him a White nationalist, just as the fact certain people who support Markos Baghdatis's chants against the Turkish military regime also call Turks "Mongols" and Turkish Cypriots "pussies" doesn't mean Baghdatis agrees with these comments.

Khan · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1092 Location: London

Well forget if he agrees with the comments Leon, what the hell is he doing with a group who calls Turks mongols and chants for enosis in the first place? Do you find nothing wrong in this? We are talking about a professional sporstman here, a representative of his country and (supposedly) every community in it. You find nothing wrong that he should be drinking beer, chanting and waving flares with this racist and xenophobic group, so long as he doesnt agree with the comments?

depurple · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2876 Location: Australia

Boys you all miss the point?
Is Turkey occupying Cyprus? Yes or NO? (ASK THE UN!)
Do we want the Turkey out of Cyprus? Yes or NO!
I think all the people who are against Baghdatis are with Turkey! That is what I think?
BUT then how many would support Turkey in Cyprus?
That is the real $64 dollar question!
The DRUM ROLL PLEASE!
da da da da da da da da da da
1: Denktash and ALL his corrupt bum chums: Turkey gave then the green light to do what they please!
2: ALL the settlers because without Turkey they wouldn't even be in Cyprus!
3: The Poms because they have now got Greek Cypriot land for FREE or for peanuts!
4: Other corrupt bastards who have made a fortune from Turkey remaining in Cyprus!
SO? What does that leave us?
A few Turkish Cypriot who are shit scared to say what they really think about Turkey!
So the EXO H TOURKI APO TH KYPRO send a shiver down the stain of many on this forum and NOW you know why!
cheers
PS Boys you know me! I want the Greeks and The Poms out as well!
For 250EUROS you can all go and live in Greece, Turkey and Britain! Good riddance to bad rubbish I say!

Dimou · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Melbourne

Khan wrote: Well forget if he agrees with the comments Leon, what the hell is he doing with a group who calls Turks mongols and chants for enosis in the first place? Do you find nothing wrong in this? We are talking about a professional sporstman here, a representative of his country and (supposedly) every community in it. You find nothing wrong that he should be drinking beer, chanting and waving flares with this racist and xenophobic group, so long as he doesnt agree with the comments?

Amazing isn't it Khan

How these Baghdatis apologists totally IGNORE the fact that their "Ambassador" is not only a member of the HFC but is enthusiastically arm in arm with these KNOWN neo-Nazi hooligans that even their own Greek Australian soccer clubs have slapped TEN YEAR BANS on !

Check out these latest Revelations of the So-Called Hellas Fan Club Melbourne

I'm still waiting for condemnation of these fascists from Upstanding Greeks on this forum....

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NOIo3qrAQG0

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wPDwCcNbYVY

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Az4V3m_CL6I

Kss · Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 3

The person that calls himself "Dimou" and makes these videos is not Greek.

He is British and his wife is Turkish. He hates Greeks and he hijacks the names of Greek people to create trouble. He was banned from youtube many times for his racist videos. He created 100s of Youtube accounts and 100s of fake IDs on the internet.

I will say no more now. I will wait to see if he will deny this.

Dimou · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Melbourne

Leon wrote: Khan, I disagree. The US presedential candidate Ron Paul has a big following among White nationalists but that doesn't make him a White nationalist, just as the fact certain people who support Markos Baghdatis's chants against the Turkish military regime also call Turks "Mongols" and Turkish Cypriots "pussies" doesn't mean Baghdatis agrees with these comments.

Are you serious ?

Baghdatis is an active, keen, participating MEMBER of the Hellas fan club as are his Australian cousins

He is proven to be an eager an active participant in all HFC tennis related BBQ's since the 2006 Australian open where he actively joins in with all the HFC chants

You cannot compare him to Ron Paul unless Ron Paul is an active member of the KKK

Watch him in these 3 videos and tell me he is nothing to do with the fascist HFC hooligans

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wPDwCcNbYVY

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Az4V3m_CL6I

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NOIo3qrAQG0

Dimou · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Melbourne

Kss wrote: The person that calls himself "Dimou" and makes these videos is not Greek.

He is British and his wife is Turkish. He hates Greeks and he hijacks the names of Greek people to create trouble. He was banned from youtube many times for his racist videos. He created 100s of Youtube accounts and 100s of fake IDs on the internet.

I will say no more now. I will wait to see if he will deny this.

A psychic conspiracy theorist !

PRICELESS !

Tell us more oh mystic one....

:D :D :D

Dimou · Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Melbourne

stavrizatz wrote:
The above statement shows your ignorance. I think you better get your facts right, the UN never recognised the 1974 invasion as a legitimate action

LOGICALLY THEN....

Therefore the "Invasion" (intervention, peace operation etc) WAS deemed illigitimate by the UN..

Therefore that "Problem" was recognised by the UN.....

Therefore Baghdatis saying he was "protesting a situation that was NOT recognised by the UN" could not refer to the 1974 Turkish intervention on Cyprus.

So...

YOU trying to twist MY words is a matter of YOUR ignorance, not mine

Re read the questions, review your answers

Try again

:D

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

incredible the attitude of one of the greeks that phoned into the radio station who wants to blow up israel and the turks and all the moslems....

how sad can an individual be and living on past history from centuries ago ,,, is the education system failing these individuals ?