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Mete · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 1150 Location: Boston

Quote:
Greek Cypriot calls for recognition of northern Cyprus

This title is misleading. Matsakis said he prefers a two state solution to a bad federal solution. He also said that a two state solution should not be ruled out right away and he insisted that he does not prefer a two state solution but it should be considered an alternative to a bad federal solution.

I think his statements are fair but he did not call for recognition of northern Cyprus as the title of this topic suggests.

stavrizatz · Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject:

Mete wrote:
Quote: I think his statements are fair but he did not call for recognition of northern Cyprus as the title of this topic suggests.

I understood the same. Two state solution its perhaps better and more sustainable than a bad federal solution.

Also I want to say it frustrates me the fact that some Greek Cypriots only care about the Cyprus issue for personal gain eg compensation. If all we care is about much we will make from our stolen properties then fuck the problem and lets just get use to the idea of living in two separate communties.

repulsewarrior · Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Canada

We have resposibilities as Human Beings. As Cypriots we must demonstrate our beliefs in support of this Family of Man.

To be recognised by Turkey, we must design a way of life which is an example of our commitment to a secular world which is inclusive, and which allows Turkish Cypriots a chance to sustain themselves as a people, where as Individuals their Stae treats them without bias, and where they are equal.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

repulsewarrior wrote: We have resposibilities as Human Beings. As Cypriots we must demonstrate our beliefs in support of this Family of Man.

To be recognised by Turkey, we must design a way of life which is an example of our commitment to a secular world which is inclusive, and which allows Turkish Cypriots a chance to sustain themselves as a people, where as Individuals their Stae treats them without bias, and where they are equal.

Never a true word said but i am afraid there are people that don't want a happy ending to this Tragedy

stavrizatz · Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:

repulsewarrior wrote: We have resposibilities as Human Beings. As Cypriots we must demonstrate our beliefs in support of this Family of Man.

To be recognised by Turkey, we must design a way of life which is an example of our commitment to a secular world which is inclusive, and which allows Turkish Cypriots a chance to sustain themselves as a people, where as Individuals their Stae treats them without bias, and where they are equal.

Very well said RW and Christofias said 'give Turkish Cypriots whatever they wantever they want in order to make them feel that they are represented by their state without any discrimination.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

more today about matsakis comments , got this on the cyprus mail

Quote: Saying aloud what a lot of people think?

Quote: POLITICIANS and analysts yesterday admitted that MEP Marios Matsakis’ controversial comments about a two-state solution reflected a growing trend in public opinion.

Matsakis broke the ultimate taboo this week when he said that between the Annan plan and a two-state solution, he preferred the latter.

No stranger to controversy, the political maverick said many Greek Cypriots were “fed up” with the current status quo, with Turkish Cypriots enjoying privileged citizenship of the Republic while the political problem remained unsolved. He further suggested that perhaps it was time for the Turkish Cypriot community to go it alone.

The link is here , so as to read the whole page

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

another link here gives more answers to his recent comments

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=34474&cat_id=1

turkkan · Joined: 21 Oct 2005 Posts: 198

Quote: Furthermore, if the world needs examples, then why not consider Haiti.

One side of the island, (whatever it was called), wealthy, while the other struggles as the poorest.

Youre comparing the Dominican republic and Haitis situation to that of Cyprus in case the north is recognised? And this is supposed to be a serious comparison?

repulsewarrior · Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Canada

What is the island's name; is it Haiti or dom. Rep.?

Our island has a name, at the moment. Will that change to being forgotten if partition creates two mutually exclusive entities more interested in their "Turkish" and "Greek" identity?

But... yourinterpretation is far more contraversial...and that too may be something to debate.

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Quote: PRESIDENTIAL candidate Costas Themistocleous yesterday warned against entering an “empty” process on the Cyprus issue that would result in partition before people even realised it was happening.

Quote: He also said outspoken MEP Marios Matsakis was correct last week when he said there were only two choices and those were an agreement on the basis of the Annan plan or permanent partition.

Quote: He also said there was some concern that the Tassos Papadopoulos camp may have shifted its stance on the accepted solution of a bicommunal bizonal federation.

Quote: “We maintain our concerns, our fears and our doubts as to how much this government and this President will seek a total solution.”
Partition was already in the works, and not far off, due to the developments in the north since the referendum, and there was a worry that more and more people might begin to think it was a better solution, Igoumenides said.

Full article here

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=34508&cat_id=1

This is where the Tpap policies has taken us, do you still not acknowledge how bad he is for cyprus or you going to wait till partition is final before you accept it because the partition talk is gaining momentum and talking about it is not so taboo any more.

repulsewarrior · Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Canada

Now with a crisis looming, the crowds will despair.
Out of this darkness may come a solution that is natural.

We have to trust the strength which is in ourselves to do the right thing.

Matsakis is in this despair. He asks the questions, where in the answer, in my horror I displayed a judgement too quick to rule. May he be a Cypriot. Maybe he is saying a bad chioce is less acceptable than partition. Annan's plan is off the table, the result must be something completely different.

Tpap like his counterparts is adept at this game they play, so slowly. However, it is moments like these, when a tiny spark can turn into flame. Others within this citizenry, from wider afield, will want to have a say, when the trauma is at issue. Whoever is the President will have to perform against this anxiety, perhaps stalling longer, unlikely to cede such an ugly premise as his legacy

Not unlike so many of Cyprus' historical events in Modern History, at the last minute great changes are made. We need to keep writing and to hope that through this dialog amongst the thousands that speak a Big Idea will be found.

Chapfallen · Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 464

Quote: hope that through this dialog amongst the thousands that speak a Big Idea will be found.

The big new idea is already here where the majority on both sides want division and only Matsakis have the guts to say the truth officially (because he is lunatic). The options are a forced unorthodox but workable BBF much like and worst than the Anan plan and the partition.

repulsewarrior · Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Canada

Chapfallen, what? have you given up already.

or... are you selling the idea to just give up.

the Annan plan was crap, and partition as an option is still a possibility. Big deal? ... what's new?

A bad ass rocker like you without a good idea, or you going to shit on others cause it' s easy, misery is such good company.

xxturkishdelight · Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 10 Location: U.K.

-mikkie2- wrote: Quote: What is clear is that we need new momentum to push forward but unfortunately its not in the direction that most of us hoped for and that is unifying our little island and to live as one people, if the partition does become official this will be really bad as it will be seen as precident that christians and muslims can not rule together, where as in cyprus we truely could have become the center of the world and led by example on how religeon, language etc. is not a dividing issue and is good for enriching its citizens.

Tell that to Turkey.

Two peoples, two cultures, two religions.....

Of course such sweet notions - if it ever it came to fruition, I would like to see the Greek Cypriots living with the Turks with a united front and living as one ! Yeah right!

Chapfallen · Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 464

Hey repulsewarrior I’ve just said the truth, in both sides the majority wants division, it’s not me, if you think what that is missing is a good idea is because your relation with reality is not so good.

We were talking for a BBF solution for 30+ years and either the solution will be a forced BBF solution to 2 unwilling to live together communities or division.