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[brother]

Quote:


  Greek Cypriot European Union Parliamentarian, Marios Matsakis, known to the Turkish public as a radical, made a surprise statement on Tuesday that would come as music to Turkish ears: Recognition of a northern Cypriot state.

  During the regular meeting of the Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE) Tuesday, Matsakis shared his view with other MPs that it is time the international community starts thinking of the option of two different states in Cyprus.

  ìAt the end of the day since the Turkish Cypriots don't want to live with us perhaps we should also consider the possibility of two different states,î MP Matsakis told the Turkish Daily News. ìI don't see the point of forcing two people to live with each other.î


Quote: The Cyprus issue was raised during the meeting by a member of the party who is also a member of the special EU delegation exploring the current status of the Cyprus problem.

  A debate took place and a number of MPs said the group needed to explore ways out of the impasse. The impasse, Davies explained, is created by Greek Cypriots vetoing the EU's efforts to ease the isolation of Turkish Cypriots. ìThey are blocking all attempts for a compromise and progress. We are frustrated by the opposition of the Greek Cypriots,î said Davies. 

  He added that it is deplorable that Turkish Cypriots continue to be marginalized by trade sanctions and that the international community fails to recognize their administration. ìWe find it unacceptable that Turkish Cypriots are EU citizens but are discriminated against,î he said. 

Quote:  Matsakis noted that it was the time especially for Greek Cypriot politicians to start considering the option of two separate states. His plan would involve two different states, demilitarization and UN observation, and ìof course, territorial adjustments.î

  The territorial adjustment according to Matsakis would reduce the land of northern Cyprus to 25 percent from the current 37 percent. Also the two sides would have to agree to not unify with either Greece or Turkey.

  The option does not exclude a future re-unification of the island, but it means that an internationally recognized northern Cyprus would have to apply for EU membership.  Matsakis said that with a strong government in Turkey, reduced military power and upcoming elections in Greece and Cyprus, he felt this was a  ìgood time to have a fresh look at the Cyprus issue.î


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http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=82301

[brother]

This above is imo the preperation of the official PARTITION of cyprus , watch as this gathers momentum in the next 12-18 months especially after the presidential elections in cyprus.

[depurple]

I have been saying this for years! 2 separate states BUT freedom of movement!
I want to live in Lapithos under the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus or any other State!
As long as it is governed by the EU under EU rules and conditions!
Not Turkeys or Denktash corrupt self centered thinking!

Australia and the US is made or states BUT you can go live and do what ever you want without prejudice and discimination!
cheers

[depurple]

Brother what ever you say and other say is NOT what the UN says!
If this was the case why not divide up Turkey and every other country that has a minority ethnic group????

Australia has over 1 million Italians so why not give them a state?
EVERYONE knows that the KURDS deserve there own state or country so why hide it? Why doesn't Turkey attack the PKK???
What is the problem!
Mate as you said it is taking momentum BUT so is the division of Turkey!
You and others want to divide a small island like Cyprus in 2 GO AHEAD!
But why should Turkey escape the inevitable?
BECAUSE it has a BIG Strong Military?
Don't make me laugh! The UN says there is only one Cyprus SO lets put it to a UN vote next week and see what they say again!
I say there is a Kurdistan and it should be half of Turkey and a third of Syria, Iraq and Iran BUT lets see what the UN says!
cheers
PS You all forgot Denktash smart arse comment!
Come to Kyrenia and tell me we don't exist!
Well go to Kirkuk and tell me they don't exist either!
PS again! Just give us our legally owned ancestral land back of some money or better still both and forget the bullshit!

[-mikkie2-]

Quote: This above is imo the preperation of the official PARTITION of cyprus , watch as this gathers momentum in the next 12-18 months especially after the presidential elections in cyprus.

And I expect this makes the Turks and Turkish Cypriot's feel very happy and content! But as always, blame it all on the Greek Cypriot's and Papadopoulos etc etc. The Turkish Cypriot's are of course the blameless, innocent victims of the Enosis-mad Greek Cypriot's and as such they deserve everything.

And Turkey now looks to Kosovo to set an example for Cyprus.

But the fundamental fact is that the north of Cyprus is the result of invasion, occupation, ethnic cleansing and usurping of other peoples land. Any two state solution will have to recognise the legal ownership of the land that was usurped and proper compensation to be paid.

I wonder if Turkey or the newly recognised 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' will be able to afford the cost of a two state solution.

Using Kosovo as an example is false as Kosovo's ethnic basis has not altered - the land is owned mainly by Kosovo Albanians and so splitting Kosovo from Serbia is easy. This is not the case for Cyprus.

[brother]

-mikkie2- wrote: Quote: This above is imo the preperation of the official PARTITION of cyprus , watch as this gathers momentum in the next 12-18 months especially after the presidential elections in cyprus.

And I expect this makes the Turks and Turkish Cypriot's feel very happy and content! But as always, blame it all on the Greek Cypriot's and Papadopoulos etc etc. The Turkish Cypriot's are of course the blameless, innocent victims of the Enosis-mad Greek Cypriot's and as such they deserve everything.

And Turkey now looks to Kosovo to set an example for Cyprus.

But the fundamental fact is that the north of Cyprus is the result of invasion, occupation, ethnic cleansing and usurping of other peoples land. Any two state solution will have to recognise the legal ownership of the land that was usurped and proper compensation to be paid.

I wonder if Turkey or the newly recognised 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' will be able to afford the cost of a two state solution.

Using Kosovo as an example is false as Kosovo's ethnic basis has not altered - the land is owned mainly by Kosovo Albanians and so splitting Kosovo from Serbia is easy. This is not the case for Cyprus.

Im sure it makes just as many Greek Cypriot and greeks very happy and all fuzzy inside, unfortunately i cannot attach blame to just the Greek Cypriot for this, this is happening because of BOTH sides uncompromising attitudes and the two communities polarisation due to negative actions from our so called leaders and the media.

What is clear is that we need new momentum to push forward but unfortunately its not in the direction that most of us hoped for and that is unifying our little island and to live as one people, if the partition does become official this will be really bad as it will be seen as precident that christians and muslims can not rule together, where as in cyprus we truely could have become the center of the world and led by example on how religeon, language etc. is not a dividing issue and is good for enriching its citizens.

[-mikkie2-]

Quote: What is clear is that we need new momentum to push forward but unfortunately its not in the direction that most of us hoped for and that is unifying our little island and to live as one people, if the partition does become official this will be really bad as it will be seen as precident that christians and muslims can not rule together, where as in cyprus we truely could have become the center of the world and led by example on how religeon, language etc. is not a dividing issue and is good for enriching its citizens.

Tell that to Turkey.

Two peoples, two cultures, two religions.....

[Dream_Merchant]

Partition and recognition of the 'TRNCy' is not something alien to many Greek Cypriots. I think on average they would prefer that over the ongoing occupation. The problem is the fact that any such recognition and in effect partition will not come ex nihilo, in the sense that prior issues such as compensation need to be settled.

I mean, let me put it this way. If Turkey came and said to the Greek Cypriots ' Well sorry we invaded your country and quasi-annexed part of it, here is some compensation for the grief that we have caused you, but really lets face it, you and our Cypriot compatriots can't manage to live under the same roof, so lets be pragmatic' I think many Greek Cypriots would accept a fair division of the island and the recognition of an independent Turkish Cypriot state. Not an idealistic solution but a pragmatic one that would allow all Cypriots to 'move on'. Unfortunately Turkey will never apologize nor will it offer any sort of meaningful compensation, so ... thats yet another pipe dream.

[repulsewarrior]

Partition is not sustainable.

If it is the solution chosen, there will exist the potential for tension more hostilities. Furthermore, if the world needs examples, then why not consider Haiti.

One side of the island, (whatever it was called), wealthy, while the other struggles as the poorest.

[Get Real!]

Isn’t it interesting how the man that everybody (Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot) laughed at not too long ago, and on many occasions, suddenly gained value and makes front page news because he said the “right” thing according to some or the “wrong” thing according to others.

Personally, I still think he’s an idiot and a disgrace to Cyprus and if I were the Republic of Cyprus I would use every legal avenue possible to remove him from the EU if at all possible before the end of his term (4 years?). Other than that I honestly don’t think he is worth debating over in any thread let alone a dedicated one!

Regards, GR.

[100%cypriot]

same old stories and the same old actions !

[repulsewarrior]

Get Real! wrote: Isn’t it interesting how the man that everybody (Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot) laughed at not too long ago, and on many occasions, suddenly gained value and makes front page news because he said the “right” thing according to some or the “wrong” thing according to others.

Personally, I still think he’s an idiot and a disgrace to Cyprus and if I were the Republic of Cyprus I would use every legal avenue possible to remove him from the EU if at all possible before the end of his term (4 years?). Other than that I honestly don’t think he is worth debating over in any thread let alone a dedicated one!

Regards, GR.

So...it is that guy who waves a Cypriot flag and gets arrested because he is for Cypriot things. I was not confused. Seems to me that he is not an obtuse character, just an opportunist, or worse still, a Cypriot who puts his Greekness, first, above all else. Taking half of what was always a whole, quite like the illegal occupiers, an apologist for this kind of horror, from any quarter, just so long as he can get his.

I too, am not proud of this Human Being, at least I know now that he is not a Cypriot, he is a form, of something else.

[depurple]

Matsakis is playing a cunning game again!
Imagine if I was a big rock star like Bono and said there was NO Armenian genocide and I recognized the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as a country and the PKK should be eradicated immediately! I would have everyone in Turkey kissing my arse for years!
cheers
PS but in reality!
1: The Armenians where massacred!
2: Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is am illegal identity according to the UN: If they where to vote for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus they would also have to vote on Kurdistan, Taiwan, ETA in Spain, Farwklin Islands, Tibet ect ect
3: The IRA and the PLO where terrorist and they they became the freedom fighters and then the government!
cheers again!

[depurple]

Otherwise, we may be tempted to believe Matsakis when he says they simply want the Cyprus problem to continue for ever, because if it were ever solved, “they would be on the streets looking for a job ”
cheers DP
PS And they wont be able to line their pockets with money!

[100%cypriot]

Manolis Mitsias sang a song in which he sing,s " leave the mad one to his madness "
Enough said