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kellogg · Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 5

The problem with Landmark is the excact opposite; they are so straight forward and open about it, that people taking courses (and not completing them) must ADD their own "spices" to the language and call it "brainwashing", "manipulation", "marketing" etc. instead of how it really is. If you can't afford it, just say so; "I don't have enought money" or "I decline to do it" and you will not have to write blogs and threads and all other victim, warning etc. stuff about it. You are done. You don't have enough money. that's fine. nothing wrong with it. you don't want to do it; that's fine. Don't make your own situation someone else fault and feel that you should "correct" the others who can.

I never said you always take the "decline" option...?!?

You don't even know me and yet make the assumption that I always! have taken the decline option.

Kellogg wrote:
Quote: be straight about it and speak/ask directly. They will not feel at all weird or manipulated.
That is exactly my point, landmark does not do straight clear and honest marketing, otherwise they wouldn't spend 50% of the forum brainwashing people that it is "important for the society that everyone does landmark".

Anyway all I am asking people is to be careful of landmark and other similar marketing spams because they could be costly unless again you are wealthy and few thousand dollars are peanuts for you.[/quote]

stavrizatz · Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:59 am Post subject:

Kellogg wrote:
Quote: The problem with Landmark is the excact opposite;

You entitled to your own opinion

Kellogg wrote:
Quote: If you can't afford it, just say so
Actually I said to them, "i believe the cources are not worth what you are asking, you are putting a price on something priceless and and don't like that and I will not do the advance and I believe it was a mistake that I did the forum"

Do you think I shut them up, NO. They were trying to convince me that Landmark was philanthropy and did a lot of charity work etc. Rubbish

ps I don't think it is a coincidence that some people named landmark a money making cult.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

If something looks like its too good to be true then it probably is worth keeping away

TRUTH · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 2 Location: NY

kellogg wrote: Rick Ross has no qualifications whatsoever to advice and counsel people nor understand what he's talking about. Don't know if he even graduated from High School. This two-time criminal was caught in a jewelry heist and in another crime. To protect his future inheritance he "exposed" a group allegedly working in his grand-mom's nursing home bilking them of their life savings. Rick decided to make this his life's purpose. Now he talks about various movements which he has no knowledge, experience or expertise about. A typical scam artist.

100%cypriot wrote: more specialist con men
Actually he was arrested once, a long time ago and he is very up front about it.
See link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ross_%28consultant%29
What he is doing is a great thing IMHO.
Sounds like you a LE grad. I say that because what you are saying is one of the many lies put out by LE.

stavrizatz · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:53 am Post subject:

Quote: Don't know if he even graduated from High School. This two-time criminal was caught in a jewelry heist and in another crime.

So if you don't graduate from high school or you get convicted for a crime then you cannot have an opinion, and whatever you say must be automatically wrong. Please learn to judge people for what they do and what they say, not by their past. After all this is something mentioned in landmark "put the past back to the past"

macaniff · Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

I cannot blame some of the people who have posted here for having concerns. There is enough plausible evidence for almost any view on any topic. Remember how plausible the United States Congress found the evidence for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

While Landmark Education is in NO WAY perfect, it is not evil or dangerous if you are a healthy successful person and unmistakably, the Landmark Forum is definitely a course that challenges people to look at their lives and take responsibility. Not always an easy thing to do.

Landmark is not about getting people's money. The Landmark costs approximately $450 in the United States. Most people who do Landmark courses do the Landmark Forum and the free seminar and that is it. You can easily find numerous other personal development programs that cost several thousand dollars.

Over one million people have completed the Landmark Forum. The people who do the courses come from all walks of life and do courses for about the same amount of time as a college semester. According to a Harris Interactive Survey (http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/clientnews.asp) over 40,000 educators and health practitioners have done The Landmark Forum and the vast majority of them held very positive views of Landmark Education and thought the Landmark Forum was professionally conducted.

If all you have heard about Landmark is negative stuff, I suggest that you at least look these two links. One is an online introduction to Landmark Forum, the other is a website created by graduates of Landmark's courses.

www.landmarkforumintroduction.com

www.landmarkeducationnews.info

If you are concerned about a friend, it is understandable. You obviously care about them. If they invite you to do a course or come check it out, you have to keep one thing in mind, they obviously care about you.

What it is really about is that you care about each other.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

what a waste of 450 dollars

stavrizatz · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

Macaniff wrote:
Quote: While Landmark Education is in NO WAY perfect, it is not evil or dangerous if you are a healthy successful person and unmistakably, the Landmark Forum is definitely a course that challenges people to look at their lives and take responsibility.

I did not say the opposite. For business people $450 people is not much anyway and in comparison with other personal development courses $450 is cheap.

My issue that Landmark is not a personal development course, it is ontology (the philosophy of being, same foundations as religions). And that exactly is their selling point, they try to prove to you that you need them therefore you invest your money in their courses. In addition they encourage to make your friends do it well if you care for them! This is called chain marketing.

As simple as that I will not have any issue with landmark if they desing the courses as self development courses or live it as it is, an ontology course but with no charge

ps I am a landmark graduate and I could see that many graduates enjoyed the course. Landmark though takes advantage of those graduates and asks them to assist and do them favours for free. Graduate who assist take all sorts of jobs from cleaning the toilets to transporting the Forum leader, to cooking for the staff etc.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

My point exactly