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[brother]

The Greek Cypriot Empire

Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Gul’s reactions to the European Union are justified. The EU should heed the words of these two persons who have made such a big effort to ensure Turkish membership in the EU. There is a limit to one’s patience.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=22630

The rest of the article at this link.

[Kifeas]

brother wrote: The Greek Cypriot Empire

Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Gul’s reactions to the European Union are justified. The EU should heed the words of these two persons who have made such a big effort to ensure Turkish membership in the EU. There is a limit to one’s patience.


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=22630

The rest of the article at this link.

Brother, in your opinion, what is the moral of this article?

[brother]

The moral is the bad leadership of Turkey and how its landed itself inbetween a rock and a hard place.

Whats your opinion of it?

[brother]

And also its reflection on current situations:

Quote: An open-ended process would mean that Turkey would not necessarily be admitted as a full member even if it fulfilled all of the membership conditions. Otherwise, there would have been no need to point out in the text that a country that does not fulfill the membership conditions would not be admitted as a member.

That i am finding distasteful at best.

[Kifeas]

brother wrote: The moral is the bad leadership of Turkey and how its landed itself inbetween a rock and a hard place.

Whats your opinion of it?

I fully agree. I would add to that its inability to function in a flexible manner due to the many power centres that exist in this country, namely government, army, deep-state, presidency and also a sense of an arrogant attitude that makes them believe that the mere political displacement and size of the country are just enough by themselves in order to push things in their way, without appropriate consideration and /or respect and /or understanding of the complexities of international law.

What is the single biggest mistake that Turkey did during the last few years and which backfires now and threatens it’s European path?

[brother]

Quote: What is the single biggest mistake that Turkey did during the last few years and which backfires now and threatens it’s European path?

Not accepting the previous plan when clerides was in power which would have got a 'yes' vote from both sides and finalised the cyprus problem imo.

[brother]

Quote: I would add to that its inability to function in a flexible manner due to the many power centres that exist in this country, namely government, army, deep-state, presidency

I agree that there are too many checks, balances and opinions that does not let it function as a normal state, in short to many chiefs that want it their way.

[Kifeas]

brother wrote: Quote: What is the single biggest mistake that Turkey did during the last few years and which backfires now and threatens it’s European path?

Not accepting the previous plan when clerides was in power which would have got a 'yes' vote from both sides and finalised the cyprus problem imo.

Even during the time that Papadopoullos was in power we could still had a chance for a solution, should Turkey had realized that a solution should live both sides winning. Instead, Turkey entrenched itself behind some meaningless and unreasonable red lines and made sure the final plan incorporated all these one sided desires, profoundly miscalculating that because the plan would have been rubber-stamped by the EU commission and the Anglo-Americans, the Greek Cypriots would have had no other choice than accepting it. It was proved however that the Greek Cypriots did have another choice, something which Turkey should have known well and thus negotiate in such a way that the final plan could have been more acceptable to the Greek Cypriots as well, and not just to them only.

Turkey's true red line should have been not to let Cyprus enter the EU without a solution, and not the other red lines that they presented during the negotiating process. Once it became clear that Cyprus would have joined the EU anyway, then they should have made all they could to get a solution before EU accession would eventually and inevitably occur.

This is what I call “inability to comprehend the complexities of the international law.”

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The match maybe 1-0 but the game is far from over....

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The saga continues....