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[erolz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6525899.stm

[polis]

erolz wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6525899.stm

This is old news. The Church is but one of the institutions that has heavily critisized the new book.

The row caused by the content of the book led the Greek Ministry of Education to ask the Athens Academy to study the book and submit a report. The report, which was released a couple of weeks ago was highly critical of serious factual inaccuracies contained in the book as well as the glossing over of some important aspects of Greek history. The Academy's report concluded that the book has to undergo serious revisions if it is to be released in the classrooms next year. So did the Cypriot Ministry of Education with respect to small section of the book that refers to Cyprus.

The report of the Greek Academy as well as the report of the Cypriot Ministry of Education have been passed on to the books editorial team by the Greek Ministry of Education and the editors are now expected to revise the book according to the conclusions of these reports.

[stavrizatz]

I am not sure of the exact content of the text book, but what I am almost definately sure is that the new text books will be more accurate than the existing books which are definately one sided ignoring crucial parts of our history.

For me a true history book is the one that presents the events and facts with plurality of prespectives.

[stavrizatz]

ps Bishops, priests and other members of the church have the right to critisise and question the stand of the goverment but only as individuals not as the 'church' as a whole.

[Bananiot]

There is nothing wrong with the book. It represents an oasis in the desert of bigotry and fanaticism that is promoted in the older history books. The church was angered and rightly so because the new book sheds light on the real involvement of this institution in the Greek uprising and tells the truth about the nature of the people that took arms. Certainly, the leadership of the church was dead against the uprising, propably because it enjoyed many previleges and it is absolutely and beyond doubt established that the uprising did not start on March 25 1821, with the blessing of the arms by Paleon Patron Germanos (high priest) as many generations of Greeks were led to believe.

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I do not have much knowledge of the role of the chuch in Greece. However, most likely it was similar to the role in Cyprus.

My understanding is that in the Ottoman Empire the population was divided according to the millet system, basically according to religion. Each part of the population had their own laws, courts, etc. For the Orthodox Christans the Ottomans used the church to govern the population, in a way the church was the populations direct authority.

(In Cyprus the British took away that role and treated normal people and the clergy as individual, upsetting the church enormously, but that is another story.)

Anyway, with this in mind I suspect that the Greek church does not now appreciate if history books putting into light how the church was in some way a part of the Ottoman administration.

[cypezokyli]

the book has indeed some problems.
comparatively though, it is way better than the old one.

same story, in the north, where the army complains about the history books :roll:

[Khan]

What are the problems with the new book, can anyone cite some examples?

[Evagoras]

Bananiot wrote: There is nothing wrong with the book. It represents an oasis in the desert of bigotry and fanaticism that is promoted in the older history books. The church was angered and rightly so because the new book sheds light on the real involvement of this institution in the Greek uprising and tells the truth about the nature of the people that took arms. Certainly, the leadership of the church was dead against the uprising, propably because it enjoyed many previleges and it is absolutely and beyond doubt established that the uprising did not start on March 25 1821, with the blessing of the arms by Paleon Patron Germanos (high priest) as many generations of Greeks were led to believe. although i agree with you for the role of church in the revolution and that the high priests betrayted the nation at the revolution what do you mean that the older books promoted fanatism and bigoty?have you ever read the turkish school book?why we must always be the malakes of the case?there is not even one thing at the new school book that make you disagree?

[Bananiot]

No, I haven't read the corresponding turkish history books. If they promote fanaticism and bigotry then its up to the Turks to follow the example of the greek history book and its authors. Its time, in other words, to look ahead and bury the skeletons, for a peaceful and prosperous future for our peoples who have suffered enough!

[Evagoras]

Bananiot wrote: No, I haven't read the corresponding turkish history books. If they promote fanaticism and bigotry then its up to the Turks to follow the example of the greek history book and its authors. Its time, in other words, to look ahead and bury the skeletons, for a peaceful and prosperous future for our peoples who have suffered enough! i have read some parts in the internet and if you believe that our older books promoted fanatism and bigoty their books make the ATCA website look like a greenpeace website.i am sure their books are written from the grey wolves.i believe that you know very well that until the faschist kemalist milatary deep state of turkey collapse they will not change even one letter.thats why i said why we must be always the malakes of the case?.even some known leftists of greece those we are used to be called progressive say that the book is good but it need some changes.you dont find nothing in the book that makes you disagree with it? do you agree that the pseydostate was declared in 1974 and not in 1983?

[erolz]

Evagoras wrote: Bananiot wrote: No, I haven't read the corresponding turkish history books. If they promote fanaticism and bigotry then its up to the Turks to follow the example of the greek history book and its authors. Its time, in other words, to look ahead and bury the skeletons, for a peaceful and prosperous future for our peoples who have suffered enough! i have read some parts in the internet and if you believe that our older books promoted fanatism and bigoty their books make the ATCA website look like a greenpeace website.i am sure their books are written from the grey wolves.i believe that you know very well that until the faschist kemalist milatary deep state of turkey collapse they will not change even one letter.thats why i said why we must be always the malakes of the case?.even some known leftists of greece those we are used to be called progressive say that the book is good but it need some changes.you dont find nothing in the book that makes you disagree with it? do you agree that the pseydostate was declared in 1974 and not in 1983?

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=16865&archive=1

Quote: A NEW history syllabus is being launched this week in the secondary schools of the Turkish Cypriot north, aiming to give students an unbiased view of their past.

Based around three new books, entitled A New Cyprus History, the course reveals an approach unprecedented on either side of the Green Line, where schools have traditionally been a breeding-ground for nationalism and bigotry.

and

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=17152&archive=1

[Kifeas]

erolz wrote:

Quote: A NEW history syllabus is being launched this week in the secondary schools of the Turkish Cypriot north, aiming to give students an unbiased view of their past.

Based around three new books, entitled A New Cyprus History, the course reveals an approach unprecedented on either side of the Green Line, where schools have traditionally been a breeding-ground for nationalism and bigotry.

and

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=17152&archive=1

Are you saying that in your schools from now on you will sop telling the Turkish Cypriot pupils that the Greek Cypriots have been carrying on genocide against their fathers, before 1974; as your uncle's friend, Gibbon, claims in his diatribe? Are you saying that in your schools from now on you will stop calling the Turkish invasion a "peace operation," the expulsion of the Greek Cypriots from the north a liberation campaign, or an "exchange of populations," and the usurping of all the Greek Cypriot properties an "exchange of properties?"

I just do not believe it!

[Evagoras]

bravo there is a huge improvment at Turkish Cypriot school books in comparison to the previous i read in the internet.but eroz i said in turkey school books will never change until the fashist kemalist military deep state collapse not the books of the occupied areas.

[depurple]

What do you expect the Church to do?
After the EAST/WEST Communist bullshit the Church and religion is the biggest trouble makers in today world!
cheers
John Lennon!
Imagine no religion!
And the world will live as one!
PS Take religion and Ethnic background from Cyprus and BINGO! We will have PEACE!