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[erolz]

depurple wrote: Erolz I must scare you if you ignore me:

One explanation for ignoring many/most of your posts could be I am scared of you / your truth - that is not the only explanation however. Please choose the explanation that makes you feel happiest if you so desire.

depurple wrote:
As for Rubbish??????
Tell the people IF the YES vote won could I live in Kyrenia?

The answer is yes you could have.

depurple wrote:
As for Greek Cypriot being paid?
Mate I know 100 who where paid by Clerides and others to vote YES!
AND unfortunately some are my own relations!

So can you tell us when this bribes were paid, how were they paid (cash cheque bank transfer etc) how much they were , what was the condition on receiving payment, was there any documentation , how was Clerides to know the people he paid actually did what they were paid for? If such did go on and is not a figment of your imagination then lets have ALL the facts and details please.

depurple wrote: BUT then again most Greek Cypriot & Turkish Cypriot will turn a blind eye to this corruption because they are afraid and I am an Aussie who doesn't give a damn:

I am not interested in turning a blind eye to corruption but accusations must be proven not just thrown around like confetti. I have take to turning a blind eye to unsubstantiated nonsense at least most of the time.

depurple wrote:
Erolz I have one thing that has been on the back of my mind for a while which doesn't make sense? You told me once that you where a settler who bought land: Is this correct?

If by settler you mean a mainland Turk that came to Cyprus after 74 then no your are not correct. Once more for your benefit, my father was Turkish Cypriot my mother English - they met in Cyprus in the 50's whilst my mother worked for the British Army catering corps. They married in England in 58, I was born in England in 66 and lived there my whole life until about 4-5 years ago when I moved to Cyprus. I live in a house that my father purchased in the 90's when his health was failing fast and he wished to return to his native homeland in his remaining days. When he was still healthy his plan was to one build a house on land that he had in his fathers village of Temblos (zeytinlik) and return to Cyprus. However as his health failed this was no longer practical, if he was to return he need a house already built and one closer to amenities and those relatives that could help care for him. He purchased a house built by an Australian Turkish Cypriot that had returned to Cyprus in the 80's and whose Australian wife then decided she did not want to live in Cyprus when she got here. This Australian Turkish Cypriot had himself bought the land on which he built the house from a Turkish Cypriot that had himself received the land from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in exchange for land he had given up in the South. Before 74 the (unused for any purpose to the best of my knowledge) belonged to a Greek Cypriot. My father bought this house NOT because it had been built on pre 74 Greek Cypriot land and thus was 'cheap' - he bought it because it was a property in the right location (closer to town and relatives able to care for him than his ancestral village but still close to that village) at the right time. If it had been built on pre 74 Turkish Cypriot land or foreign own land would have made no difference to his decision to buy it - nor for that matter was the price an issue for my father. What made it attractive was it was the right property in the right place at the right time - no more no less. Soon after moving to this house my father passed away and the house is now owned by my brother and myself and I live in it.

depurple wrote:
Because what really puzzles me is WHY should you BUY it when MOST settlers and got Greek Cypriot land for free! Amazing!

One I am not a settler. Two my father bought it not because of financial gain (he was a wealthy man by UK standards and very wealthy by Cypriot standards and all from his and my mothers lifetime of labour in the UK). He bought it because he wished to die in the land he was born in close to the village he came from and it was a suitable property in the right place available for sale at the time he wanted to buy such.

depurple wrote:
So Erolz keep ignoring me because then I know I am "Hitting the Nail on the Head!"Och!

Like I say , maybe the reason I ignore much of what you post is that it 'hits the nail on the head' too well for me to be able to deal with. Of course there are also other valid reasons why I may choose to ignore much of what you say that are a lot less flattering to yourself and I am not surprised why you choose to believe only the former as the real reason.

depurple wrote:
But don't feel bad!
I also have many Greek Cypriot who say to me SHUT UP and don't tell the Turkish Cypriot what is really happening!

I have no problem with people saying what is really happening. What annoys me about you DP is the nonsense you post so often. Like if the Annan plan was accepted you (and indeed no Greek Cypriot) would EVER be able to live in Kyrenia again. This is not what is 'really happening' but , with as much respect as I can muster, just ill informed garbage. Another classic example that you used to spout off at every opportunity was the 'fact' that Turkish Cypriot title land and property in the north sold for 5- 10 times the value of the equivalent on pre 74 Greek Cypriot land. There is a premium for pre 74 Turkish Cypriot title land (and more so for foreign owned pre 74) but it is no where near 5 or 10 times - it is closer to 30% than 5 or 10 times and this is easily verifyable from the hundreds of estate agent websites and offices. Yet this used to be a constant claimed 'fact' of yours. So please do not misunderstand me - I am NOT telling you to shut up because you are telling 'what is really happening' - I am saying stop spouting nonsense please.

depurple wrote:
Do be afraid of me Erolz I just want to know WHO cause this Cyprus debacle and WHO has benefited from this injustice!

And it is in the pursuit of understanding that I (occasionally) feel compelled to challenge some of your more wacky assertions that do nothing but damage the chance of any of us gaining a better understandings of the 'whys' behind the Cyprus problem in the gross inaccuracies.

depurple wrote:
BUT if you did benefit from this misfortune in Cyprus then I would suggest YOU ignore me!

Once more DP as much as you might not want to see it, it is also possible that I have not personally benefited from the misfortunes in Cyprus yet still choose to ignore much of what you post because much of it is nonsense and so demonstrably so.

depurple wrote:
cheers
PS When my cousin challenge comes to Cyprus I will set a meeting with you and him: He has worked for the UN in Geneva for over 30 years and he will tell you a few stories about the corruption in the UN and Voting and governments ect ect
That will make you mouth drop Erolz!
BUT then again the TRUTH might Hurt!
DP:

This is just a classic example for me of 'DPism'. There are many cases of corruption within the UN , well documented and supported by evidence. You take this and it becomes to you 'proof' that the UN has , as an organisation plotted and plan to subvert and pervert the democratic process in countless member states , the Republic of Cyprus clearly being one of the many. This is exactly the kinda of 'wooly' logic that I find so hard to deal with from you DP and so just ignore so much of the time. The fact is if there was any credible evidence of the UN as an organisation having covertly plotted and planed to subvert the democratic process in even a single member state, it would have been headline news of a proportion that would make the reports of corruption by individuals and groups of individuals within the UN seem like nothing.

[depurple]

1: Erolz thanks for NOT ignoring me!

2: You have to explain to me HOW I could of lived in Kyrenia if the Greek Cypriot voted YES to the Annan plan because I heard and read the opposite!

3:I have 5 relatives that where given a ticket from Australia to Cyprus by Clerides to vote YES!
How do I know they offered this to me as well:
When I asked where the money came from they said the UN & the USA:
I said why?
They said they want this Cyprus pain in the asre problem solved:
I said we will loose our land in Kyrenia and they said don't worry we will get Turkish Cypriot land in Pafos and other places in the deal which is worth a lot more: And who wants to live with the Turkish Cypriot anyway!

4 & 5: At least Erolz you are more honest than most on this forum: You admit it was originally Greek Cypriot land: Many would just shut up!

5a) BUT Now do you ever feel you might loose this land one day if there is a United Cyprus? Does this worry you Erolz?

6: Hitting the nail on the head is my job:
The wonderful thing with my family is that 33% was EOKA B, 33% was Communists, 33% was with Britain and the 1% was me and my father and grandfather!
So you see if I needed anything answered I just asked my family and contacts:
7: The UN has paid many time Erolz in many conflicts and many governments:
My cousin told me it was the UN who where supplying the guns in Somalia:
They also gave all the GPS reading to the US when they wanted to bomb Iraq & Serbia: So don't think the UN is all an angle as every one might think: BUT hey who is?

See Erolz with the Annan plan MANY thought this:
The people of Pafos, Limassol and Larnacca will certainly vote YES and all we have to do is pay a few of the Clerides people as well and BINGO the YES vote wins:
The UN wins:
The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus wins:
The USA wins:
Britain wins:
Turkey wins:
Greece wins:
BUT it backfired:
It was a conscious vote and people said NO this is wrong!
It is like IF I break into YOUR house steal everything you own and then give back 10% and you forfeit the rest to me forever!
AND you say thank you????????

AS for Headline around the world? Erolz?
Some do make headlines BUT most get swept under the carpet!
LIKE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
cheers
PS Don't fear me I am on your side looking for justice!

[100%cypriot]

depurple
wrote: It is like IF I break into YOUR house steal everything you own and then give back 10% and you forfeit the rest to me forever!
AND you say thank you????????



So in the case of the Turkish Cypriot who does not even get the 10% as the Gov did with the land that Larnaca airport was Built on !

And then when he complained to the EU they then offerd him compensation , 1974 prices

Ahem i don't think so somehow

Its very easy to take what does not belong to you and then use the excuse that it was a compulsury purchase on behalf of the State and then offer the Second class citezens in Cyprus ( Turkish Cypriots ) a derisory amount for stealing their land !

What Double Standards

[100%cypriot]

So this stupid demand that you go live in the south for six month's , what to be abused physically and mentally by the Greek Cypriot Nationalists is just another way of stealing which ever way you look at it.

Another way of knowing that Turkish Cypriots are NOT going to do that and then the Tpap Gov can do anything they want with the land and Properties.

[100%cypriot]

Ah but acording to some people the Turkish Cypriots don't have any land or properties in the South .

Its all Bull Shit

[depurple]

What we are talking about Boys is that IF the YES vote won could I live on MY property in Kyrenia?

BUT if you want to add you points great:
If the YES vote won could the Turkish Cypriot go and live on their properties in the STH? Let me know?

As for the Turkish Cypriot who owns the land at Lanacca Airport!
I agree he should get FULL compensation PLUS interest and rent!
BUT do you agree with me being allowed to live on my land in Kyrenia IF the YES vote won?!
cheers
PS at the current prices NOT peanuts:
PAS If I was allowed by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to live their for 6 months and then claim my land BRING IT ON!
I would sit on my asre and order MEZES all day and few BIRAS for 12 months NOT 6!!!!!!!!!

[100%cypriot]

The answer is yes

[depurple]

100% Yes to what?
Me getting my land back in Kyrenia in a ANNAN YES Vote?
Or Yes in letting me live in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus?
Also There are many Turkish Cypriot with land in the Sth: As far as I have been told there are more Turkish Cypriot with land in the STH then they have in the North!
cheers

[100%cypriot]

Yes i don't see why you can't come back to your home , go through the right channels and claim your house back or your compensation ,

ie the properties commision who was formed with the say so of the EU

[pg]

depurple wrote:
3:I have 5 relatives that where given a ticket from Australia to Cyprus by Clerides to vote YES!


In all elections, any student abroad can get a free, or subsidized, ticket home - from any party of their choice. Right or wrong; that is how it works, but for sure it is not paid by foreign sources - or Watford Petroleum.

[depurple]

Thanks 100%C and I hope the same will apply to your land as well:
Make all these CORRUPT Bastards Pay!

pg:
These relatives of mine who got free ticket to Cyprus from Australia PLUS spending money (AUD$3000 each) courtesy of Clerides and his mates are NO students My Friend: They are in there 50s, 60s and 70s:
Most of them where EOKA B rejects!
cheers
PS They even got m,y grandfather brother who was 92 out of the Old People Home in a wheel chair to get him to vote YES as well:
How desperate and corrupt are these people?????????
My father said I wonder what ALL these Clowns where promised by the UN , UK & the USA to take such drastic measures JUST for STUPID Yes vote? UNBELIEVABLE but TRUE!

[stavrizatz]

DP to pay someone vote Yes or No is a bit unrealistic as the votes were casted using a secret ballot. Paying people who live overseas and who are dedicated to the party to vote it is possible, maybe.

Can you please outline the cinspirecy behind Annan Plan, you mention some things here and there but can you briefly, using dot point outline the AMAN plan.

Erolz wrote
Quote: a Turkish Cypriot that had himself received the land from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in exchange for land he had given up in the South.

So when Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus gave Greek Cypriot land to Turkish Cypriots, the Turkish Cypriots became the owners of the land and were able to do whatever they like with it?

What exchange? Most of the Turkish Cypriot land still belongs to Turkish Cypriots.

[stavrizatz]

100% Cypriot wrote:
Quote: So this stupid demand that you go live in the south for six month's , what to be abused physically and mentally by the Greek Cypriot Nationalists is just another way of stealing which ever way you look at it.

If that is what you think then I have to say your brainwashed. Ask others who went, ask others who live in the South.

If there is a small minority of fanatic nationalists who will abuse you, it could be anywhere, it could be in the UK...

[depurple]

stavrizatz thanks for the reply: The conspiracy was simple:
My cousin who works for the UN in Geneva said that the main issue with the Annan plan was to get a YES vote only so that the Cyprus problem disappeared OR was just in limbo with everyone concerned SLOWLY sorting out the issue:
The UN main reason was to show some face after 35 years of nothing: Specially with the 20 or so UN resolution actually telling Turkey what IT should do: These resolutions where swept under the carpet:
BUT hey that is the UN run by the USA: What did you expect??
When it suits the USA they use the UN (Serbia) and when it does not suit them they are above the UN! Iraq: (Take the LAW into their own hands):
My cousin said the UN showed one plan to the Greek Cypriot and another to the Turkish Cypriot and at the last minute changed the plan in favor of the Turkish Cypriot:
The plan was only for the USA wanting Turkey in the EU so that the USA can stop feeding this handicap child and give the responsibility to the EU: AND then the USA would have another pro USA Alie in the EU:
As for me : The first plan left Lapithos, Morphou and all of Famagusta out of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus which would of secured a YES vote BUT then it was changed:
Britain, Greece and other ALL backed the plan so they could end this pain in the arse problem for everyone: IT is like cutting off your hand if you have cancer BUT you save the rest of the body:

As for paying to go to Cyprus to Vote YES!
Mate believe me there where 100s:
BUT they failed:I still joke to some of them about it!
Yes I could of taken up Clerides and his mates option BUT they had ways of knowing if you voted Yes or NO and it is not good to lie for the sake of a few trip and a holiday: NOT when you are playing with peoples legally owned land and properties:

As for Erolz and his land?
He answered everything I have always wanted to know about him and WHY he voted NO to the Annan plan:
Fortunately I have a way of reading people SO if you say I voted Yes or NO........... I query it and usually IF the other person is honest like Erolz you find out the real truth of the matter:
IF they are shifty or corrupt like some on the forum it takes me abit longer to work out there motives BUT in the end most people are like an ostrict with its head in the sand and the rest of the body showing:

As for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus land in the South: Blame Denktash.
HE told most of the Turkish Cypriot that there was a deal with Clerides and their land in the SOUTH is GONE forever: So what did you expect these people to do when there so called master who liberated them told them this: IT was only after a while that they realized that it was all a cover up:
Actually Denktash was smarter than most politicians in Cyprus? Why?
He used, sold, gave a way Greek Cypriot land in the Nth BUT still keep the Turkish Cypriot land in the South!
Smart man!
cheers
PS And made a few people VERY rich as well!

[stavrizatz]

Thanks mate