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pg · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1485 Location: Cyprus

I was thinking about the trade deal that is being discussed these days - and how a deal could/should look.

(Now I know that since both sides are convinced that they have a bright future ahead no one wants to compromise, but anyway...)

Now, the reason the Greek Cypriot side is against direct trade and flights are two: that it would take the situation towards a two state solution (not legally but practically); and that it would accelerate the destruction of Greek Cypriot property.

Tassos Papadopoulos is still going for the deal including Varosha. As much as I would like Varosha returned, I must say that it is not a trade-off that take care of our main worries. Basically, since full direct trade takes us towards a two-state solution the return of Varosha is just a trophy that will hide the fact that would are moving towards formal partition - perhaps suitable for Tassos Papadopoulos.

I would instead like to see A Trade Deal that is a move towards re-unification and not towards partition. How would such a deal look? IMHO it needs to be done in a way that clarifies that there will only be one state in Cyprus. An example is that in exchange for free trade and direct flights the Turkish Cypriot would retract its UDI, which in practice would mean an acceptance that the EU state the Republic of Cyprus does exist as the rest of the world claims.

This would not mean much in practice, if the T R N C instead calls itself 'the autonomous region of the Turkish Cypriot communal chamber', or what ever, it will still run its own affairs until a full solution. It would still control what Republic of Cyprus officers it allows to visit, etc. Possibly the Republic of Cyprus or EU would need to place some officers at ports and airports, etc. Still, since the Turkish Cypriot community wants re-unification and not independence it is still a step in the right direction.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

Quote: It would still control what Republic of Cyprus officers it allows to visit, etc. Possibly the Republic of Cyprus or EU would need to place some officers at ports and airports, etc. Still, since

So in other words what ever the Tpap Gov says the Turkish Cypriot has to do , what utter crap !

pg · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1485 Location: Cyprus

100%cypriot wrote: Quote: It would still control what Republic of Cyprus officers it allows to visit, etc. Possibly the Republic of Cyprus or EU would need to place some officers at ports and airports, etc. Still, since

So in other words what ever the Tpap Gov says the Turkish Cypriot has to do , what utter crap !

I could call that comment crap. So what is the alternative?

Get Real! · Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 325 Location: Nicosia

Quote: So in other words what ever the Tpap Gov says the Turkish Cypriot has to do , what utter crap !

Let's not kid ourselves... Turkish Cypriots should consider themselves EXTREMELY lucky to have a chance at assimilating with the Republic of Cyprus.

I welcome proof/argument to the opposite and at your request I'll analyse this claim in detail.

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

[quote="Get Real!"] Quote: Turkish Cypriots should consider themselves EXTREMELY lucky to have a chance at assimilating with the Republic of Cyprus.

I think that luck was on the Greek Cypriot side that they still have a country and people to dictate to ( in the south ) :wink:

Get Real! · Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 325 Location: Nicosia

[quote="100%cypriot"] Get Real! wrote: Quote: Turkish Cypriots should consider themselves EXTREMELY lucky to have a chance at assimilating with the Republic of Cyprus.

I think that luck was on the Greek Cypriot side that they still have a country and people to dictate to ( in the south ) :wink:

It's a pity you took offence and have become defensive. I think the pros and cons of assimilation would make for a great debate. I do realize though that debate is not what everyone is here for. :(

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

i didn't take your comment offensively and i am by no means on the defence , on the contrary my point was that by hook or by crook there are still people of the greek cypriot nationality who are still thriving in the south of the island and your comment comes across as someone who think's they are so superior and that the second class citezens of cyprus should feel honoured that the greek cypriots are prepared to have some contact with them.

Get Real! · Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 325 Location: Nicosia

Quote: your comment comes across as someone who think's they are so superior and that the second class citezens of cyprus should feel honoured that the greek cypriots are prepared to have some contact with them.

Someone here once told me that I am rude and don't even know it!

Now let's think about that for a moment... if I haven't used ANY rude words in my post then how can one possibly determine if a post is "rude" unless they take one's TONE and BODY LANGUAGE into consideration?

Neither of which exist on a online forum!

I think it's time people started concentrating on EXTRACTING the TECHNICAL ASPECTS of a post instead of "evaluating" them emotionaly and responding with a "smart" one-liner followed by a wink! :(

100%cypriot · Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2164

are you here to wind people up or are you just being yourself ? Stop twisting everything to suit yourself !

Get Real! · Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 325 Location: Nicosia

100%cypriot wrote: are you here to wind people up or are you just being yourself ? Stop twisting everything to suit yourself !

Methinks you ain't cut out for Forums! Adios.

pg · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1485 Location: Cyprus

Regardless of the contructive comments, I'd like to point out that no one is will to compromise towards a solution. We prefer to live on hope instead; keeping the blinkers on.

erolz · Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 4195 Location: Kyrenia / Girne

Firstly the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus accepts that the Republic of Cyprus exits - the dispute is not about existance but on it's status as far as the north is concerned. However that is not really here nor there but I thought I would mention it.

For me the sensible basis of a 'deal' on trade would be some realistic and concrete verifyable restiction on futher exploitation of pre 74 Greek Cypriot property and land in the north exchange for allowing direct flights via Ercan. I have propsed this before btw but I do suspect their are people who do not want a achievable balanced compromise that progresses things but prefer proposals they know will not work.

repulsewarrior · Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1740 Location: Canada

Get Real! wrote: Quote: So in other words what ever the Tpap Gov says the Turkish Cypriot has to do , what utter crap !

Let's not kid ourselves... Turkish Cypriots should consider themselves EXTREMELY lucky to have a chance at assimilating with the Republic of Cyprus.

I welcome proof/argument to the opposite and at your request I'll analyse this claim in detail.

...an interesting shadow of realty...

aren't we lucky to have each other...instead of being assimilated by our respective "motherlands". Aren't we lucky to have the Republic of Cyprus to kick around, a State the world created which guarantees our right to our own self determination.

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1404 Location: Australia

erolz wrote: Firstly the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus accepts that the Republic of Cyprus exits - the dispute is not about existance but on it's status as far as the north is concerned. However that is not really here nor there but I thought I would mention it.

For me the sensible basis of a 'deal' on trade would be some realistic and concrete verifyable restiction on futher exploitation of pre 74 Greek Cypriot property and land in the north exchange for allowing direct flights via Ercan. I have propsed this before btw but I do suspect their are people who do not want a achievable balanced compromise that progresses things but prefer proposals they know will not work.

Erol,How can the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus accept that Republic of Cyprus exists when Turkey does not recognise that entity?I have not read the thread carefully so I don't know if this comment is relevant,but don't we call the Republic of Cyprus,South Cyprus Greek Cypriot Administration? or something similar?Just like the other side calling Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus "the Occupied Areas" or "the pseudo State"???
I must say I do get a wry smile on my face everytime I read in Turkish papers (including the mainland ones like Hurriyet) the President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus,MA Talat,and the leader of the Cyprus Greek Cypriot Administration,TPapadopoulos... :wink: :) :)

pg · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1485 Location: Cyprus

Two statements from today:

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=169775

Quote: "An economy under the consent or management of the Greek Cypriot side is neither attractive nor acceptable for the Turkish Cypriots," Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus President Mehmet Ali Talat told a conference in Ankara`s Middle East Technical University.

"The Turkish Cypriots will run their own economy and economic management by themselves," he added.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=169760

Quote: Noting that economic cooperation with Turkey was what underlay Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus's economic growth, Sener said "this collaboration and unity, this joint effort to raise hope of growth, is the most fundamental factor that keeps the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus economy growing. And it is what enables Turkish Cypriots to look to the future with hope"