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I was looking at the numbers presented for the census. I wonder if we can agree they are more or less correct...

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=30725&archive=1

Based on that article I tried to sub-divide and structure a bit:

256k residents
...77k temporary
...178k citizens
......120k two Cypriot parents
......12k one Cypriot parent
......46k no Cypriot parent
.........30k born outside Cyprus
.........16k born in Cyprus

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Based on this there are 120k who are recognized Republic of Cyprus citizens - and so 'less than half'. You see what one can do with statistics...

At the same time talking about renunification there is 'only' 30k people for which there would be a discussion whether they should be citizens or not.

My guess is that of those 30k the absolute majority came more than 15 years ago so it would be difficult to send them away. Possibly Turkish Cypriots has other views based on the end of the article.


However, the point I would like to make is that (Ithink) most Greek Cypriots can be reasonable when discussing the issue when reliable numbers are available.

[erolz]

Well I would say that I am in the 'one cypriot parent' category (and I am also a born outside of Cyprus for that matter) - but I would be considered a 'legitimate' Republic of Cyprus citizen as fa as I know.

[brother]

So what would i come under??

Both cypriot parents but born out of cyprus. :?

[Khan]

Same here bro, thousands of young Turkish Cypriot's in UK have Cypriot born parents.

[erolz]

I seem to have confused the issue - sorry.

The breakdown of 'born in cyprus / not born in cyprus' applies to the category - no cypriot parent, as far as the figures above are concerned.

There is no breakdown of where u are born if either or both of your parents are cypriot in these figures.

[cypezokyli]

i think the point here is not which member of the forum is recognised by the Republic of Cyprus as a citizen.
point is that there appears to be a discussion in the north about the structure of the population of the north. and it would be interesting to know if you consider this as a problem or as sth you shouldnt even bother about ?

(what we believe is already known i believe)

[Khan]

Problem is cypez a lot of business have become reliant upon guest workers. Our restaurant is entirely staffed by mainlanders for example, they are cheaper, work harder and more experienced. It is true this has resulted in a lot of uneducated and rural type migrants, but like the immigrants in any country, they do the work the natives simply will not do.

Also, we have to ask how the embargoes have contributed to this. My family and myself left Cyprus in the early 90's when our business could no longer survive, it was simply no longer viable for my father to raise a family there. It is the same story for many people we know.

[repulsewarrior]

It shows that there are tens of thousands who would resettle, or return to their patrimony, if it were possible for them to move into their homes, rather than live in houses.

I have been called a romantic, for my hopes to see this homeland as an island.

Speaking cynically, Turkey, with its army had a plan.

Speaking realisticly, some hard deals have to be made.

... with acts from both communities which will cause this repopulation to occur in a manner where Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots have a form of self-representation, and land overwhich they are sovereign, to sustain them, while they stand united, as individuals, equals, as Cypriots, with free movement, association, and expression, included as a member of wider families of persons.

[Mete]

If we consider Cypriots as someone who has 1 or more Cypriot parents, we have about 132K Cypriots and about 122K non-Cypriots in the north. So almost half of the population in the north is non-Cypriot. I don't know what you guys think but I find this disturbing at least.

[cypezokyli]

sometimes i think , that our side exagurates the danger of the setllers for us.
settlers cannot really destroy our "cultural heritage" , not only bc we are numerically more , but bc a bizonal structure will not allow that.

in essense if there is anyone in danger of loosing (part of) his identity than that is the Turkish Cypriots. and if they dont perceive that as a "danger" , then in practise the "danger" siezes to exist.

[repulsewarrior]

Obviously, Turkey had a plan from the very start...threehundred fifty years ago. It was necessary forty years ago, as it was two hundred years ago; settlement. These people, the settlers, are no more than bargaining chips. They are victims of these designs as much as the displaced. Unfortunately, as has been said, it is the Turkish Cypriot which risks being lost to us.

Thus, putting settlers in a position to choose citizenship or not, is as important as having self-determination for all of us, united as Cypriots.

Many parts will allow for their repopulation and allow for the displaced to return as communities, northward and southward, within a relatively short period of time. Free movement expression and association, our Individual rights can be defended by the Republic of Cyprus, if it is free from its ethnic bias, and it is seen to be a government that is inclusive which can represent all its peoples as equal. The two zones (and their parts), representing two national identities, will sustain their citizens in their seperate communal affairs, without destrying their fabric. Obviously in each, overtime, minorities will expect consideration for their special needs. Given that the Oficial Languages of Cyprus are English, Greek, and Turkish, it will be more than likely that service will be given in the major language first, but that these services can be obtained in other languages.

[moonskin]

In order to have a more complete idea of the results, I have extracted the following three images:

1. Distribution of the population to the districts, with comparison to the 1996 census results:



Each column of the first three columns is made up from two sub-columns. First sub-column is the count and the second is the percentage of that count in the relevant sum.

4 Main columns represent the following information:

1st column: 1996 Results
2nd column: unofficial results of the 2006 census (ignore it)
3rd column: official results of the 2006 census
4th column: Difference between the 1996 census and 2006 census

Each row is an administrative district (in the order they appear): Nicosia, Famagusta, Kyrenia, Morphou, Trikomo. Sub-rows are the regions which make up the districts.

2. Distribution of T R N C citizens according to the place of birth of their parents:



First column is the count, second is the percentage of the count in the sum, third and fourth are the numbers of males and females.

1st row-section is the total number of T R N C citizens.
2nd row-section is the number of T R N C citizens with both parents born in Cyprus.
3rd row-section is the number of T R N C citizens with mother born in Cyprus, father born abroad.
4th row-section is the number of T R N C citizens with father born in Cyprus and mother born abroad.
5th row-section is the number of T R N C citizens with both parents born in Turkey
etc.
(the rest is probably not interesting)


3. Distribution of T R N C citizens who were born in Cyprus according to the place of birth of their parents:



This table is exactly the same as the second one except that the numbers are for T R N C citizens who were born in Cyprus.

Images are produced from the pdf documents declaring the definitive results of the 2006 census which can be found at: http://nufussayimi.devplan.org/

[moonskin]

By the way, do ask for further explanations if you can not follow the above tables because you do not speak Turkish.

[pg]

I can't figure out what the tables mean...