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DigenisAkritas
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: Oriana Fallaci on the fall of Constantinople |
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Oriana Fallaci, On the sack of Constantinople
…Crashing aside the Christians at Varna in 1444 they secured possession of Walachia, Moldavia, Transylvania, the territory now called Bulgaria and Romania, then in 1453 they put again under siege Constantinople which on May 29 fell into the hands of Mehmet II and by the way: do you know who was Mehmet II? A guy who, by virtue of the Islamic Fratricide Law which authorized a sultan to murder members of his immediate family, had ascended the throne by strangling his three year-old brother. Do you know the chronicle that about the fall of Constantinople the scribe Phrantzes has left us to refresh the memory of the oblivious or rather of the hypocrites?
Perhaps not. Especially in Europe, a Europe that weeps only for the Muslims, never for the Christians or the Jews or the Buddhists or the Hindus, it would not be Politically Correct to know the details of the fall of Constantinople. Its inhabitants who at daybreak, while Mehmet II is shelling Theodosius’ walls, take refuge in the cathedral of St. Sophia and here start to sing psalms. To invoke divine mercy. The patriarch who by candlelight celebrates his last Mass and in order to lessen the panic thunders: “Fear not, my brothers and sisters! Tomorrow you’ll be in the Kingdom of Heaven and your names will survive till the end of time!”. The children who cry in terror, their mothers who give them heart repeating: “Hush, baby, hush! We die for our faith in Jesus Christ! We die for our Emperor Constantine XI, for our homeland!”. The Ottoman troops who beating their drums step over the breaches in the fallen walls, overwhelm the Genovese and Venetian and Spanish defenders, hack them on to death with scimitars, then burst into the cathedral and behead even newborn babies. They amuse themselves by snuffing out the candles with their little severed heads... It lasted from the dawn to the afternoon that massacre. It abated only when the Grand Vizier mounted the pulpit of St. Sophia and said to the slaughterers: “Rest. Now this temple belongs to Allah” Meanwhile the city burns, the soldiery crucify and hang and impale, the Janissaries rape and butcher the nuns (four thousand in a few hours) or put the survivors in chains to sell them at the market of Ankara. And the servants prepare the Victory Feast. The feast during which (in defiance of the Prophet) Mehmet II got drunk on the wines of Cyprus and, having a soft spot for young boys, sent for the firstborn of the Greek Orthodox Grand Duke Notaras. A fourteen year-old adolescent known for his beauty. In front of everyone he raped him, and after the rape he sent for his family. His parents, his grandparents, his uncles, his aunts and cousins. In front of him he beheaded them. One by one. He also had all the altars destroyed, all the bells melted down, all the churches turned into mosques or bazaars. Oh, yes. That’s how Constantinople became Istanbul. But Doudou of the UN and the teachers in our schools don’t want to hear about it. |
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cannedmoose
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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DigenisAkritas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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cannedmoose wrote: YAWN...
The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best. |
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Khan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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zan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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DigenisAkritas wrote: cannedmoose wrote: YAWN...
The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best.
Does that mean you believe in heaven and hell? |
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DigenisAkritas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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zan wrote: DigenisAkritas wrote: cannedmoose wrote: YAWN...
The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best.
Does that mean you believe in heaven and hell?
I believe there is a final judgment of some kind, but I am not religious, what it is, I cannot say. |
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zan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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DigenisAkritas wrote: zan wrote: DigenisAkritas wrote: cannedmoose wrote: YAWN...
The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best.
Does that mean you believe in heaven and hell?
I believe there is a final judgment of some kind, but I am not religious, what it is, I cannot say.
Have a try............ |
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DigenisAkritas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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zan wrote: DigenisAkritas wrote: zan wrote: DigenisAkritas wrote: cannedmoose wrote: YAWN...
The thousands who fell at the hands of the barbarians that day will pay your hatred of them back in kind one day Moose. Your lack of compassion for the innocent is disconcerting at best.
Does that mean you believe in heaven and hell?
I believe there is a final judgment of some kind, but I am not religious, what it is, I cannot say.
Have a try............
No. That is as far as my belief extends. I do not believe in Christianity, though it is a good religion at heart and far better than Islam. |
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zan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| That's not a belief, that's either hope or fear. Which one are you? Do you also believe in luck? |
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DigenisAkritas
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zan wrote: That's not a belief, that's either hope or fear. Which one are you? Do you also believe in luck?
No I am a Deist, I believe there is an inherent justice at the end of all things. That is as far as my belief stretches. I do not believe in luck. |
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zan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: |
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DigenisAkritas wrote: zan wrote: That's not a belief, that's either hope or fear. Which one are you? Do you also believe in luck?
No I am a Deist, I believe there is an inherent justice at the end of all things. That is as far as my belief stretches. I do not believe in luck.
Quote: This new awareness of diversity led to a feeling that Christianity was just one religion among many, with no better claim than any other to correctness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
You do not aspire to this part of your belief then? |
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DigenisAkritas
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zan wrote: DigenisAkritas wrote: zan wrote: That's not a belief, that's either hope or fear. Which one are you? Do you also believe in luck?
No I am a Deist, I believe there is an inherent justice at the end of all things. That is as far as my belief stretches. I do not believe in luck.
Quote: This new awareness of diversity led to a feeling that Christianity was just one religion among many, with no better claim than any other to correctness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
You do not aspire to this part of your belief then?
Again, I do not believe in Christianity, I hold it to be no more true than the Quran, but the virtues it teaches are far more enlightened. If you live Christianity to it's fullest implication you can become a Saint Francis, if you live Islam to your fullest implication you can become an Erdogan or an Osama. |
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zan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Going back to your final judgment, what are the criteria and who sets them or is it just down to luck? |
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DigenisAkritas
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zan wrote: Going back to your final judgment, what are the criteria and who sets them or is it just down to luck?
Again, I believe there will be a final judgment, I cannot stipulate further than that. I simply believe that is the natural order of things. |
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zan
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DigenisAkritas wrote: zan wrote: Going back to your final judgment, what are the criteria and who sets them or is it just down to luck?
Again, I believe there will be a final judgment, I cannot stipulate further than that. I simply believe that is the natural order of things.
Is there a natural order to spirituality? |
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