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[Mete]

Viewpoint wrote:
Tomorrow is the anniversary establishment of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus come and join the celebrations of the safe haven for the Turkish Cypriot community long my she live and protect us from those who want to do us harm.

Sorry but I don't find anything to celebrate on 15th of November. Is there ONE thing that got better for Turkish Cypriots by declaring Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus? I don't really see anything. I believe we would be better off if Turkish Federated State was in place.

As brother, I wish we were celebrating a normal united European country. I wish we were working hard to make people's lives better and not waste our time with nationalistic bullshit.

[Alexios]

Interestingly, i heard yesterday, extracts from an interview given to a Radio Station by the T/C University of Cyprus Professor Niyazi Kizilyurek. He supports that based on University findings nationalism is alive and well in Cyprus, BUT with an interesting variation. People on both sides are gradually shifting away from the traditional Greek/Turkish nationalism, having shifted almost completely away from national causes of Enosis and Taksim and other aspirations related to their Motherlands, towards a more G/C-T/C type of nationalism.That was all i managed to catch i am afraid, not having time to hear the reasons for or manifestations of this type of nationalism.I picked up my son half way through the interview and as soon as he sat in the car he put on his latest rap DVD , completely ignoring my plea to wait until the program finished.....

[SP]

I have always found Viewpoint to be moderate in his posts and as has been made clear, he has been under some attack lately.

As for his right to be here and support Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, I cannot believe that this should be in question, in any way shape or form.

Pros and cons of a Turkish Federated State and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, I would like to hear more from Mete on this.

As for Turkish Cypriot nationalism in our student population rising, I would question this strongly, since in my experience, most of our students are Turkish Nationals.

Bayraminiz Kutlu Olsun

A Happy Holiday to ALL

[Alexios]

SP,
Kizilyurek was referring to University of Cyprus findings concerning the whole population North and South and not to rising G/C and T/C Nationalism amongst students...sorry i may have given the wrong impression..

[SP]

Hello Alexios

Sorry I may have misread your post

I get the impression at grass roots level a kind of hardening of positions in terms of being not exactly anti Greek Cypriot but more of a feeling that we need to stand on our own since no one else (Greek Cypriot) wants to stand with us. Whereas in 2004 many were prepared to live in a united Cyprus, now there seems to be a strong feeling of rejection, so for some I'm sure the "Grapes are Sour".

This "Feeling" also has to do with Turkey's EU accession talks., where these ideas of rejection , moving of goal posts, broken promises etc have an effect on the Man in the Street.

I am not suggesting that these points of view are correct nor am I suggesting that they are incorrect. These are simply my observations and thoughts.

We are on "Holiday" to day and that means clearing up the garden. YUCHHH.

Catch you all later

[Alexios]

I klnow SP, and i have a feeling you are right about your observations...Have a nice day in the garden:)

[Birkibrisli]

Alexios wrote: Interestingly, i heard yesterday, extracts from an interview given to a Radio Station by the T/C University of Cyprus Professor Niyazi Kizilyurek. He supports that based on University findings nationalism is alive and well in Cyprus, BUT with an interesting variation. People on both sides are gradually shifting away from the traditional Greek/Turkish nationalism, having shifted almost completely away from national causes of Enosis and Taksim and other aspirations related to their Motherlands, towards a more G/C-T/C type of nationalism.That was all i managed to catch i am afraid, not having time to hear the reasons for or manifestations of this type of nationalism.I picked up my son half way through the interview and as soon as he sat in the car he put on his latest rap DVD , completely ignoring my plea to wait until the program finished.....

I wonder what Kizilyurek thinks is the difference between traditional Greek/Turkish nationalism and a more G/C -T/C type...
I might go and look at the Yeniduzen newspaper site where I think Kizilyurek has a column,to see if he says anything there.

And Alexios...I share in your pain.My son puts on his Barish Mancho CD as soon as he gets into the car.At 7 years old he can listen to it over and over again,till I am at the point of vomiting and I threaten to throw them both out of the car :twisted:Sometimes that works...

[FAMAGUSTA]

Quote: Ozturk protested because Britain asked for visa from him in spite of the fact that he showed his “diplomatic” passport

Turkish Cypriot daily VATAN newspaper (14.11.06) reports that the self-styled minister of economy and tourism, Enver Ozturk said that while he was entering Britain to participate in the Tourism Fair they asked for visa from him in spite of the fact that he showed his “diplomatic” passport. Ozturk noted that the same practice must be applied in the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” for the British and that he will discuss the issue with Mr Talat and the “government”. He said that he did not expect to enter through the VIP, but he expected a different approach. Mr Ozturk noted that during his stay in Britain he saw that there is a lack of advertisement for the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” and stated that they will launch “a serious advertising attack”.

"Long live Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" :muhaha:

[Alexios]

Birkibrisli wrote: Alexios wrote: Interestingly, i heard yesterday, extracts from an interview given to a Radio Station by the T/C University of Cyprus Professor Niyazi Kizilyurek. He supports that based on University findings nationalism is alive and well in Cyprus, BUT with an interesting variation. People on both sides are gradually shifting away from the traditional Greek/Turkish nationalism, having shifted almost completely away from national causes of Enosis and Taksim and other aspirations related to their Motherlands, towards a more G/C-T/C type of nationalism.That was all i managed to catch i am afraid, not having time to hear the reasons for or manifestations of this type of nationalism.I picked up my son half way through the interview and as soon as he sat in the car he put on his latest rap DVD , completely ignoring my plea to wait until the program finished.....

I wonder what Kizilyurek thinks is the difference between traditional Greek/Turkish nationalism and a more G/C -T/C type...
I might go and look at the Yeniduzen newspaper site where I think Kizilyurek has a column,to see if he says anything there.

And Alexios...I share in your pain.My son puts on his Barish Mancho CD as soon as he gets into the car.At 7 years old he can listen to it over and over again,till I am at the point of vomiting and I threaten to throw them both out of the car :twisted:Sometimes that works...

I ll try to find out more Bir. I attended quite a few gatherings were Kizilyurek spoke and he always some something new to say.Not to mention that he speaks perfect Greek with a proper mainland accent too!!!

[Bananiot]

Niazy heralds from the noble village of Potamia. He also speaks French (his wife is French), German and English. I have met his father who now lives in a village called Akatzi near Morphou. He is a true Cypriot.

[Viewpoint]

SP wrote: Hello Alexios

Sorry I may have misread your post

I get the impression at grass roots level a kind of hardening of positions in terms of being not exactly anti Greek Cypriot but more of a feeling that we need to stand on our own since no one else (Greek Cypriot) wants to stand with us. Whereas in 2004 many were prepared to live in a united Cyprus, now there seems to be a strong feeling of rejection, so for some I'm sure the "Grapes are Sour".

This "Feeling" also has to do with Turkey's EU accession talks., where these ideas of rejection , moving of goal posts, broken promises etc have an effect on the Man in the Street.

I am not suggesting that these points of view are correct nor am I suggesting that they are incorrect. These are simply my observations and thoughts.

We are on "Holiday" to day and that means clearing up the garden. YUCHHH.

Catch you all later

I agree with what you say SP as the Turkish Cypriots views are hardening more towards staying as we are and going it alone. The reunification momentum which was evident prior to the referendum has disappeared and people question even more than usual not only Greek Cypriot intentions but also the EU who has lost all credibility in north as making promises they do not keep.

[brother]

Viewpoint wrote: SP wrote: Hello Alexios

Sorry I may have misread your post

I get the impression at grass roots level a kind of hardening of positions in terms of being not exactly anti Greek Cypriot but more of a feeling that we need to stand on our own since no one else (Greek Cypriot) wants to stand with us. Whereas in 2004 many were prepared to live in a united Cyprus, now there seems to be a strong feeling of rejection, so for some I'm sure the "Grapes are Sour".

This "Feeling" also has to do with Turkey's EU accession talks., where these ideas of rejection , moving of goal posts, broken promises etc have an effect on the Man in the Street.

I am not suggesting that these points of view are correct nor am I suggesting that they are incorrect. These are simply my observations and thoughts.

We are on "Holiday" to day and that means clearing up the garden. YUCHHH.

Catch you all later

I agree with what you say SP as the Turkish Cypriots views are hardening more towards staying as we are and going it alone. The reunification momentum which was evident prior to the referendum has disappeared and people question even more than usual not only Greek Cypriot intentions but also the EU who has lost all credibility in north as making promises they do not keep.

I have to say that what SP and VP are quoting is very near the truth as i also noticed when in cyprus the hardening attitude of the Turkish Cypriot towards unification and the EU and as dissapointing as it was i found it very difficult to persuade them to go the distance and be more optimistic about a united future etc with nearly all of them pointing at Tpap as the biggest issue for them.

[RudeGal]

mmn a lil disappointed by some of comments on this thread. of course, highly predicatble for Greek Cypriots to slam Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, but then, what choice did/do Turkish Cypriots have to project their political equality on the island? Please think before you comment - disliking something is one thing, but think about REAL alternatives and so try to see Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in context of this.

Current Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus President Talat says in his independence speech Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus = Turkish federated state in waiting. And all Turkish Cypriots know if he can't achieve political progress in this direction by time of next Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus elections, things could (will) swing in another direction - you cannot expect an entire nation to live in limbo indefinitely!

Until Turkish Cypriots have something different to represent them, three cheers for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and happy bayram!

[RudeGal]

AQMessiah wrote: If that is the case why do you come to this forum? To preach your pro-Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus statements? Didn't read anywhere that only those supporting a federal solution/unitary state for Cyprus can join this Forum? or did we turn fascist overnight? :shock:

As long as people argue their points fairly, honestly and without seeking to cause offense, then I look forward to reading a wide range of views on Cyprus (hence Talk Cyprus, not Talk Federated Cyprus? :wink: ) - diversity is our strength!

[AQMessiah]

Rudegal, VP can say what he likes but when he begins to make comments such as

Viewpoint wrote: long my she live and protect us from those who want to do us harm.

it benefits no one. All is does is agitate those he is speaking against. Last time I checked I had no reason to unleash my dog against any Cypriot Turk. Though you are right, all that freedom of speech stuff works well in here.